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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 5:41 am 
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Bummer, I was wrong , they want 50 with the 15% discount, guys, how about something that's moldable like let say soles? Definitely would like flexibility, in case both arches are different.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 20, 2012 6:52 am 
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I tried the SOLES, and they are high quality construction, but the arch was simply not high enough for me.
I have tried two forms of heat moldable: SOLES and Shimano, But the molding feature just didn't really seem to create a practical benefit.
Superfeet are also pretty good. As mentioned before, ignore the size and try them untiol you find the best fit. Then you can cut them to fit in the shoe. I ended up going up a size so that the arch was higher and more forward than on my numerical size. But the arch was still just not high enough.
Obviously, fitting things like this becomes very personalized and whatever you can make work for you is the way to go. Fortunately, the Specialized Green feels like it was made specifically for my feet.


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PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2013 10:30 am 
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As a fitter who has trialed over 40 footbed systems and met with countless poorly performing orthotics my recommendations are fist esoles dynamic with black arch kit, this is the highest, but doesn't always come in the kit. Second would be esoles powerbed in the high version, not so tuneable but the arch is shorter and less likely to interfere.


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PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2013 10:51 am 
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You are correct to try to solve the foot issue first and appropriate arch support is definitely the priority. Then wedging, and its unlikely that the specialized in the shoe wedges will be the optimum solution but a fine place to start. After wedges look at dealing with leg length shims.
Before you get into any of that make sure your saddle is not too high, this always creates greater asymmetry and its possible that that could be the root cause. Although arch support is well worth figuring out anyway.
If you have not found it already steve Hoggs blog is the current go to for self analysis bike fitting.
Oh and if your not afraid of the DIY then feel free to make your own foot beds, they really only need to be the correct shape and can be made from almost anything. The idea is to elicit constant proprioception, and this not so much about support, but more about having something touching your foot in the exact position that it ends up holding under sustained load. So ultimately if you don't feel the footbed whilst pedaling its not doing its job. This also means that whilst standing it should feel mildly invasive in the rear portion of the arch.
Again it's not easy to get right for either you or any other professional. I only know of four fitters in the whole world who can dial in footbeds consistently! So although it will take time your best bet is one of self discovery. So get on the Hogg blogg and start self analysing!


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PostPosted: Sat May 18, 2013 6:35 pm 
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For high archs, esoles are the best solution... G8s and specialised green aren't as high or supportive...

If u have quite a collapsible arch, and need quite a corrective insole, then u might find the off the shelf type not helpful. The esoles, albeit providing the highest arch correction against the others, don't provide rigid support. U will find if u collapse your arch under load, then the esoles will collapse to a fair degree as well ( as do their competitors)


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PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2013 5:40 am 
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I have high arch narrow feet. I do the same thing as Juanacity pretty much but custom for my foot. I take the insoles from mizuno inspire running shoes (that work for me for running), and then shape the bootm of the insole to fit the inside of the empty sidi ergo 3. To shape it I cut up a flat, thin gel insole from k-mart and tape it to the bottom of the insole. I also have a circular cutout under the ball of my foot (1st mp joint) where I get a hotspot. I think this trial and error until perfect works fine. Getting the last of the shoe that works for you is crucial as well. For example, giros are terrible for me and sidi fantastic.


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PostPosted: Sun May 19, 2013 3:50 pm 
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I have high arches and the best shoes I found for my feet and particular quirks were last seasons Fizik R1. The innersoles are availble as an aftermarket upgrade for other shoes: 'Fizik 3D Flex Cycling Insole'.

The blurb:
Fizik in collaboration with SIDAS Technologies have developed the 3D Flex Custom Cycling Insole. Designed to work with any cycling shoe and heat mouldable, the insole improves comfort and support to increase rider efficiency.


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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2013 7:59 pm 
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I make my own arch supports out of dish sponges or other bits of foam.
I've even been known to make an emergency support from scrap paper I've found in rubbish bins while riding. :D


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every new ski season, new boot fit with trail maps : )


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PostPosted: Mon May 20, 2013 8:50 pm 
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drmutley wrote:
For high archs, esoles are the best solution... G8s and specialised green aren't as high or supportive...

If u have quite a collapsible arch, and need quite a corrective insole, then u might find the off the shelf type not helpful. The esoles, albeit providing the highest arch correction against the others, don't provide rigid support. U will find if u collapse your arch under load, then the esoles will collapse to a fair degree as well ( as do their competitors)


This is what I have found as well, and so I have gone back to my customs and am going to get another pair, since the ones I have can walk by themselves.

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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2013 1:01 am 
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Shimano in-sole kit


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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2013 4:58 am 
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uraqt wrote:
every new ski season, new boot fit with trail maps : )
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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2013 2:59 pm 
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Almost NONE of the moldable soles are great for high arches... Once you step on em, your arches cave in a bit and none of the home handled molded beds support it well enough at initial molding.

Esoles and a few others with stiff snap in supports are a better option but lots of times the arch shape isnt a match.

Shoes and insoles are the one place I wouldnt hesitate to spend a little money... I would get a set of fitted insoles using the Esoles scanning system and or contact D2. D2 will make you a set of insoles and pattern the arch to fit your shoe (because putting a fitted insoleinto a shoe with a shaped sole will change the footbed shape.

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PostPosted: Tue May 21, 2013 3:06 pm 
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CharlesM wrote:
Almost NONE of the moldable soles are great for high arches... Once you step on em, your arches cave in a bit and none of the home handled molded beds support it well enough at initial molding.

Esoles and a few others with stiff snap in supports are a better option but lots of times the arch shape isnt a match.

Shoes and insoles are the one place I wouldnt hesitate to spend a little money... I would get a set of fitted insoles using the Esoles scanning system and or contact D2. D2 will make you a set of insoles and pattern the arch to fit your shoe (because putting a fitted insoleinto a shoe with a shaped sole will change the footbed shape.


I think we need a "Like" button these post. What Charles is saying is exactly why I have the kit to do my new impressions. D2 have changed the way they do the impressions from the last time I did mine, and I think I will get an even better product this time around, but I am also sending my shoes in to have the insole fit to the shoe.

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G8 soles may suit?

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