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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 1:24 am 
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Looking to replace my currant group (SRAM Force 1) on my Focus Izalco Max Ag2r and trying to decide if I should go with Red 22 or go for the conviniance of SRAM eTap and take the weight penalty???


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 3:11 am 
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gerardk1111 wrote:
Looking to replace my currant group (SRAM Force 1) on my Focus Izalco Max Ag2r and trying to decide if I should go with Red 22 or go for the conviniance of SRAM eTap and take the weight penalty???


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Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 3:11 am 
  • SRAM Red 22 groupset eTap road GXP with rim brakes (optional)
  • from 1899 EUR
  • Price includes 19% V.A.T. which will be deducted when goods are leaving the EU. Shipping costs may be added.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 10:54 am 
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I have both. Love them both. If I had to choose, I would choose red eTap, because it takes much less (almost none) effort to shift. Shifting is always good, battery lasts long. Red 22 stays on my cyclocrosser.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 11:02 am 
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Is really that bad is sram red 22 ,which was the prime group before the etap?
I think that in category mechanical is (truizm) one of the best (dura ace, super record, sram red).
i also standing before the question: sram 22 sram etap. Ride until now only mechanical groups, what is worries me is the sram etap childness illness, and problem with rebuilding parts after propably crash.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 12:16 pm 
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If we can call it illness, only one reported problem with too long limit screw, DIY fixed or SRAM replacement. And maybe setting the front mech is a bit fiddly.
Ditto to effortless and precise shifting all the time (coming from mech red). Really enjoyable experiance (over 2.5k km)

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 1:33 pm 
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I think that is why I like my currant group. SRAM Force 1!!!
No front derauiller , basically bullet proof. Super easy to make adjustments on the fly, all you have to adjust once in the while is the rear derauiller cable adjuster.
I'm running 52t w/ 11-36, so basically I am getting pretty much all of the gear ratio of 52-36 with 11-28.
The only complaint I have is that it's a little heavy. Having a really lite cockpit helps, plus tomorrow switching to much lighter wheel set (going from 58 mm Xentis clinchers to Xentis ceramic 25 mm clinchers). That alone will save me 400 g. We'll see how the bike feels after the switch, if Feels good, lite enough, I will just stick with my current group I guess. Mechanical Red 22 would be much lighter, but not as easy and problem free as my current group where electronic ETap almost as heavy as my current group but probably a problem free as well!!!


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 1:47 pm 
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Flouro7.
My previous bikes were 2012 Zero 7 and last year I had 2014 Wilier 7.
Loved them both, definitely in the top 5 of all the frames I've tried it last 10 years. And I've tried a lot, kind of my hobby/ sickness of mine. I got to say, I enjoyed the older model(2012) a little more. Then the current model. It felt more compliant, better acceleration, way more stable at high speeds (. Anything over 40 km/h, especially while sprinting.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 1:56 pm 
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gerardk1111 wrote:
( ...(going from 58 mm Xentis clinchers to Xentis ceramic 25 mm clinchers).... )


Did user rode also on xentis 4,2? in the other topic i ask this question. Can You tell me about deference in riding,speed?
I weight 69 g plus future bike = around 77 kg - what about behave on cross winds? I am consider tubular version 4,2 or 5,8.

Sorry for off topic


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 2:35 pm 
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I would definitely recommend going with 4.2. Unless you are doing a lot of TT riding. With 4.2 you going to be able to do it all. Ride some running hills, maybe even small , occasional climbing any great on flats. Speed difference between 5.8 and 4.2 at the Max 2.5 km an hour and that's With winds below 15 km an hour. With high cross wind, you better off with 4.2. Doing most of my riding here in Chicago along the lakefront, High winds with a 5.2 were an issue.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 2:39 pm 
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Also keep in mind that the speed advantage with a 5.2 over 4.2 would only be gained with speeds over 40 km an hour. Anything below that would be very marginal if any


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2016 2:50 pm 
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Thank You for the answer. I do not do many TT riding, and my terrain is similar to spring classics in Europe. short steps, flats,mixed, sometimes in the fields,in the forrest - normal in my neigbour, ask about crosswinds, because it can be windy on open space.
In this case 4.2 will be enough for me.


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2016 2:55 pm 
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I just got my new Xentis 2.5 Silver clinchers installed on my Focus. great climbing set. Love them!!!


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PostPosted: Thu Jun 30, 2016 5:22 pm 
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gerardk1111 wrote:
I just got my new Xentis 2.5 Silver clinchers installed on my Focus. great climbing set. Love them!!!


Should be familiar to xentis 4,2 silver tubular , the weight is almost the same. Good luck with them, I waiting for mine


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PostPosted: Sun Sep 25, 2016 7:13 am 
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It really depends on your needs.
I would choose eTap because I want precise shifting and weight penalty does not really matter to me.

If you want a cheaper groupset and weight really matters to you, go for Red22!

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 25, 2016 3:43 am 
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Long time Red22 user switching one of my bikes to eTAP next week. I'll let you know how it goes.

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Posted: Fri Nov 25, 2016 3:43 am 
  • SRAM Red 22 groupset eTap road GXP with rim brakes (optional)
  • from 1899 EUR
  • Price includes 19% V.A.T. which will be deducted when goods are leaving the EU. Shipping costs may be added.


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