I'm currently riding a Cervelo S2 bike with Dura-Ace DI2.
Wheels I'm racing on now are the Miche SWR full carbon with Schwalbe Ultremo HT tubulars.
A classical V-shape carbon tubular rim (38mm height in front, 50mm height in the back) with bladed spokes and hub with SKF bearing.

I'm very pleased abvout those wheels, not the lightest but very stiff

See link of the wheels:


My question: which other pair of full carbon tubular wheels would make me faster in races?
-FFWD F6R
-FFWF F9R in the back and F6R in the front
-Planet-X Pro carbon front 50 and rear 82 wheels
-Zipp 404 and 808
-Zipp 404
...

I have experience with both the F6R and Zipp, as well as similar wheels as the planet-x (gigantex).

The F6Rs are best bang for the buck, very nice, aero, durable wheels. FFWD's build quality is among the best I've seen. Get the version with their hubs, the premium for DT is so totally not worth it. (PM me if you need more info)

The latest Zipps are great - if you got the money, I'd go that route.

The gigantex wheels are a good option if you worry about replacing your race wheels in case of a crash. They don't really offer any benefit over your existing wheels though..

Wheels do not make you faster.
Training, skill, and tactics will make you faster.

Aero wheels will only reduce the amount of energy you need to get to whatever you determine fast to be.
They do not, and never will, make you faster.
No component will ever make you faster.

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Really? So training which increases available wattage allowing you a higher top speed, makes you faster, but aero wheels which make better use of that wattage, allowing you a higher top speed, don't make you faster?

In your interpretation, you are correct.

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...oh boy here we go...

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Let's finish the ride with a 20% grade.
2011 Scott Addict R1 Matt black
2012 Cannondale EVO "Storm Trooper" white and black

I'm surprised there was one product answer before the more obvious answer.


FWIW, I've been trying out different wheels and while I'd love to say I noticed a difference going from my ROL D'Huez wheels to 50mm carbon deep-v wheels to nothing-fancy C2 belgium rims laced to double-butted spokes... I really can't. The latter are a little more comfortable though... I actually did my best TT on the belgiums just last night

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Great minds think alike... sadly, so do the mediocre ones.

I also agree with swithing from the Miche wheels to another brand of aero wheels will not make you faster. Yes some are more areo than others but only by a little. Bigger gains will be had from training and race tatics. You may even have (I would say you will certinaly have) trouble putting any change in times moving from wheel to another down to the change of wheels, as there are so many variables. Which is why when reps come round and say the sky team rode to victory on this, I think the product is not the reason why they won, there a bloody good team.

http://www.enve.com/cache/DOC203_WheelT ... 0626022821

I think this article shows the differences are real and measureable but all wheels where pretty similar apart from the control. I am sure the Miche wheels will be in the ball park too. Hell they even say riding the control wheel to any of the test wheels is equivelent to 15-23W at 30 mph, it won't change your cycling life.

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Just to further drive the nail into the coffin... wheels are not going to make you instantly overall faster. Aero wheels may save you maybe a few seconds in a hour long race against the clock, but they won't instantly propel you ahead of your competition. The few seconds you save with aero wheels will be lost anyway when you stop pedaling for a few second to grab a sip of water.

If you want your money to make you faster... instead of putting money into wheels, put it into a cycling coach for a month or two and having a good training program.

Whichever wheels cost the most are obviously the fastest. Haven't you learned anything from cycling adverts?

just look around the cycle training section and you will gain much more than a set of aerodynamic wheels

As the heaviest rider here, I am a better judge of wheel improvements to speed. Lower rotating mass, eg my upgrade from aksiums to elites, is the difference between a 34 daily driver and a 50- a gargantuan difference in even basic rolling along speed. And I know this will increase even more massively if I decide to spend £2k on Campy hyperon 2 clinchers.

In the real world, pound for pound, Campy use the best wheel bearings; I'm sure the Zonda's will outperform my elites, even though they are the same weight.

sigh.

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Road bike: Pinarello Dogma 60.1
TT bike: Trek Speed Concept

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