HOT: Active* forum members generally gain 5% discount at starbike.com store!
Weight Weenies
* FAQ    * Search    * Trending Topics
* Login   * Register
HOME Listings Blog NEW Articles FAQ Contact About




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 14 posts ] 
Author Message
PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 2:41 pm 
Offline

Joined: Fri Jun 17, 2005 4:11 pm
Posts: 463
I'm currently riding a Cervelo S2 bike with Dura-Ace DI2.
Wheels I'm racing on now are the Miche SWR full carbon with Schwalbe Ultremo HT tubulars.
A classical V-shape carbon tubular rim (38mm height in front, 50mm height in the back) with bladed spokes and hub with SKF bearing.

I'm very pleased abvout those wheels, not the lightest but very stiff

See link of the wheels:


My question: which other pair of full carbon tubular wheels would make me faster in races?
-FFWD F6R
-FFWF F9R in the back and F6R in the front
-Planet-X Pro carbon front 50 and rear 82 wheels
-Zipp 404 and 808
-Zipp 404
...


Top
 Profile  
 
Posted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 2:41 pm 


Top
  
 
PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 3:17 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed May 18, 2005 6:24 pm
Posts: 4391
Location: BELGIUM
I have experience with both the F6R and Zipp, as well as similar wheels as the planet-x (gigantex).

The F6Rs are best bang for the buck, very nice, aero, durable wheels. FFWD's build quality is among the best I've seen. Get the version with their hubs, the premium for DT is so totally not worth it. (PM me if you need more info)

The latest Zipps are great - if you got the money, I'd go that route.

The gigantex wheels are a good option if you worry about replacing your race wheels in case of a crash. They don't really offer any benefit over your existing wheels though..

_________________
Latest ride - Bianchi Infinito CV


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 3:27 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Oct 31, 2007 10:32 pm
Posts: 7412
Location: Los Angeles / Glendale, California
Wheels do not make you faster.
Training, skill, and tactics will make you faster.

Aero wheels will only reduce the amount of energy you need to get to whatever you determine fast to be.
They do not, and never will, make you faster.
No component will ever make you faster.

:smartass:

_________________
Exp001 || TeamLACBC


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 4:41 pm 
Offline

Joined: Fri Dec 15, 2006 7:45 pm
Posts: 3372
Location: Natovi Landing
Really? So training which increases available wattage allowing you a higher top speed, makes you faster, but aero wheels which make better use of that wattage, allowing you a higher top speed, don't make you faster?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 4:47 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Oct 31, 2007 10:32 pm
Posts: 7412
Location: Los Angeles / Glendale, California
In your interpretation, you are correct.

_________________
Exp001 || TeamLACBC


Last edited by prendrefeu on Fri Aug 03, 2012 4:49 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 4:49 pm 
Offline

Joined: Tue Aug 09, 2011 2:25 pm
Posts: 340
Location: Aloha, Oregon
...oh boy here we go...

_________________
Let's finish the ride with a 20% grade.

2011 Scott Addict R1 DA 7900 Matt black

2013 Cannondale EVO Hi mod DA 9000


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 4:53 pm 
Offline

Joined: Fri Nov 18, 2011 5:19 am
Posts: 848
I'm surprised there was one product answer before the more obvious answer.


FWIW, I've been trying out different wheels and while I'd love to say I noticed a difference going from my ROL D'Huez wheels to 50mm carbon deep-v wheels to nothing-fancy C2 belgium rims laced to double-butted spokes... I really can't. The latter are a little more comfortable though... I actually did my best TT on the belgiums just last night :noidea:


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 5:38 pm 
Offline

Joined: Tue Dec 20, 2011 12:43 am
Posts: 237
:doh:

_________________
Cervélo S2 2012 Red
Great minds think alike... sadly, so do the mediocre ones.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Fri Aug 03, 2012 6:35 pm 
Offline
in the industry

Joined: Sat May 12, 2012 7:25 pm
Posts: 1613
Location: Glermsford, Suffolk U.K
I also agree with swithing from the Miche wheels to another brand of aero wheels will not make you faster. Yes some are more areo than others but only by a little. Bigger gains will be had from training and race tatics. You may even have (I would say you will certinaly have) trouble putting any change in times moving from wheel to another down to the change of wheels, as there are so many variables. Which is why when reps come round and say the sky team rode to victory on this, I think the product is not the reason why they won, there a bloody good team.

http://www.enve.com/cache/DOC203_WheelT ... 0626022821

I think this article shows the differences are real and measureable but all wheels where pretty similar apart from the control. I am sure the Miche wheels will be in the ball park too. Hell they even say riding the control wheel to any of the test wheels is equivelent to 15-23W at 30 mph, it won't change your cycling life.

_________________
www.thecycleclinic.co.uk


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Aug 04, 2012 1:02 am 
Offline

Joined: Tue Sep 20, 2011 8:15 pm
Posts: 177
Just to further drive the nail into the coffin... wheels are not going to make you instantly overall faster. Aero wheels may save you maybe a few seconds in a hour long race against the clock, but they won't instantly propel you ahead of your competition. The few seconds you save with aero wheels will be lost anyway when you stop pedaling for a few second to grab a sip of water.

If you want your money to make you faster... instead of putting money into wheels, put it into a cycling coach for a month or two and having a good training program.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Aug 04, 2012 2:18 am 
Offline

Joined: Sun May 16, 2010 7:28 pm
Posts: 652
Whichever wheels cost the most are obviously the fastest. Haven't you learned anything from cycling adverts?


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Aug 04, 2012 3:02 am 
Offline

Joined: Sat May 12, 2012 5:48 am
Posts: 105
just look around the cycle training section and you will gain much more than a set of aerodynamic wheels


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Aug 04, 2012 9:03 am 
Offline

Joined: Mon Mar 19, 2012 3:31 pm
Posts: 459
As the heaviest rider here, I am a better judge of wheel improvements to speed. Lower rotating mass, eg my upgrade from aksiums to elites, is the difference between a 34 daily driver and a 50- a gargantuan difference in even basic rolling along speed. And I know this will increase even more massively if I decide to spend £2k on Campy hyperon 2 clinchers.

In the real world, pound for pound, Campy use the best wheel bearings; I'm sure the Zonda's will outperform my elites, even though they are the same weight.


Top
 Profile  
 
Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2012 9:03 am 


Top
  
 
PostPosted: Sat Aug 04, 2012 11:02 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Tue Apr 14, 2009 3:05 am
Posts: 375
Location: Perth, Australia
prendrefeu wrote:
Wheels do not make you faster.
Training, skill, and tactics will make you faster.

Aero wheels will only reduce the amount of energy you need to get to whatever you determine fast to be.
They do not, and never will, make you faster.
No component will ever make you faster.

:smartass:


sigh.

_________________
Road bike: Pinarello Dogma 60.1
TT bike: Trek Speed Concept

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4XxCZagAjk


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 14 posts ] 


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Google [Bot], Google Adsense [Bot], jeffsavans, seanblurr and 34 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  

   Similar Topics   Author   Replies   Views   Last post 
There are no new unread posts for this topic. Zipp 202FC faster than 404FC, WTH?

[ Go to page: 1, 2 ]

in Road

CBRE

25

3066

Tue Mar 25, 2014 2:23 am

springs View the latest post

There are no new unread posts for this topic. Help me to make a pedal choice

[ Go to page: 1, 2, 3, 4 ]

in Road

marcio riva

59

5324

Tue Dec 23, 2014 3:56 pm

bungis View the latest post

There are no new unread posts for this topic. New cassette coming up! will make your ten speed body go 11!

[ Go to page: 1, 2 ]

in Road

Frankie - B

27

3619

Sat Apr 26, 2014 6:56 pm

ergott View the latest post

There are no new unread posts for this topic. Mavic, make that Reynolds, Attacks freehub swap?

in Road

GregSherwin

3

705

Sun Jan 26, 2014 11:59 am

DMF View the latest post

There are no new unread posts for this topic. Blk Tec C1 Wheels

in Road

RippedUp

10

763

Sun Nov 23, 2014 7:21 pm

kavitator View the latest post


It is currently Fri Dec 26, 2014 5:04 am

All times are UTC + 1 hour




Advertising   –  FAQ   –  Contact   –  Convert   –  About

© Weight Weenies 2000-2013
hosted by starbike.com


How to get rid of these ads? Just register!


Powered by phpBB