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2015 Zipp 303 tubular VS 2013 Mavic CCU tubular
Zipp 303 (U Shape, 45mm x 25-27mm, 1335g, €1850) 50%  50%  [ 13 ]
Mavic CCU (V Shape, 40mm x 21mm, 1185g, €1600) 50%  50%  [ 13 ]
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 26, 2014 3:40 pm 
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All in the title really...

I ride mostly flat / rolling terrain with trips to the Pre-Dolomites and Dolomites often and I am 71<73KG depending on form.

[*] To currently go on a Cervelo S5 but obviously buying for future bikes too (probably won't get an aero frame as next bike)
[*] Already have a pair of Mavic SLE 1800g+ for training / racing and want some tubs for racing / improve weight
[*] they'd be my first ever pair of tubulars

At my LBS there is:

[*]Ex-demo (basically new) 2013 Mavic CCU's for €1600 complete with Mavic tubs etc.
[*]New 2015 Zipp 303 Tubulars for €1850, obviously there's the extra cost of buying tubulars and having them fitted in this case.

I'd be limited to 23mm tubs due to clearance issues on the S5 I think but may be wrong. Does this mean the Zipps are a bad choice?

Please vote but also explain why if you can...


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 12:16 am 
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Lots of people voting - thank you.

I'd be really grateful if you could quickly explain your decision in a reply.


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PostPosted: Thu Nov 27, 2014 9:49 am 
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The CCU,s while nice wheels, are a pain to repair should you ever need to. thats the major difference for me.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2014 1:37 am 
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Thanks.

However, without comments I can't tell whether people are voting through experience or opinion unfortunately.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2014 6:25 am 
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I vote for the Zipps. Haven't ridden either, but,
-Mavic tyres are generally sub-par and it's not a big plus you're getting them.
-Zipp's design is newer and more aerodynamic than Mavic.
-Zipp uses standard spokes
OTOH, Zipp hubs have a bad reputation. There are many examples of 188 hubs failing, that's why they're on version 9.

My two cents.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2014 8:30 am 
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It's true mavic tyres are sub-par but the Mavic CCU are very stiff, considerably lighter than Zipp and much much sexier.
Since you are not into the aero trend I cannot see a reason why to choose Zipp. You may consider Corima in case you prefer a 'traditional' wheelset.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2014 11:19 am 
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It seems like putting 23mm tubs on zipp 303 might be a bad choice as the rim is 25mm but I'm not sure.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2014 3:24 pm 
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This is second hand experience, because a friend of mine has both. He hates the CCU's except as race day/TT wheels. His regular training wheels are the Zipps.


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2014 3:41 pm 
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Can you elaborate? It sounds strange because in every review or comparative test CCUs are among the top wheels.

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 28, 2014 5:38 pm 
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My choice would be Zipp 303 any day.

Aero trumps weight unless you only ride uphill. And you mostly ride flat terrain with a few trips to the mountains.

IMO Toroidal shaped rims are fastest and V shaped rims belong in the past or for training only. The weight difference is only 150 grams. In addition to the toroidal shape on the 303´s, you get a 5 mm higher rim profile, which makes them even faster.


Mavic CCU, Weight a pair: 1185 g, rim depth: 40 mm
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Zipp 303 FC tubular, weight: 1335 g, rim depth: 45 mm
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 29, 2014 2:03 pm 
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Great post, thanks.

Voting seems pretty tight so it makes it a little more hard to decide, as if it wasn't already.


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PostPosted: Mon Dec 01, 2014 5:40 pm 
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I now this is just from personal experience but I do not trust Zipp products anymore. After working in a shop (2 years ago so pre firecrest) that sold primarily Zipp, we delt with at least 3 warranty claims a month with every possible issue from hubs exploding to nipples pulling through rims. Also for most bigger guys (>180lbs) we had to rebuild the wheels with round spokes since they were so flexy. I'd hope that these issues have been fixed but I still wouldn't ride them. As far as the Mavics go the tires are sub par but the wheels are extremely stiff. Only downside is if a spoke were to break it's a huge hassle to repair. That being said I've never seen a broken spoke on them....


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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2014 10:21 am 
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When did the 303 get so lardy? My 2011 pair are 1170g!

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 02, 2014 2:35 pm 
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Re: the mavics are difficult to repair, true, but they are hard to break. Everyone says the same about lightweight, i have a set with 10,000K on them, i've slapped potholes and nothing. I have a mate you has current lacing pattern 303s for the same time period. He has had the rear re--built twice now as the spokes continue to detonate. Admittedly he is heavier than me, but the 303s are not the bullet-proof option, the CCUs probably are.

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