walkercycling wrote:So in hindsight if he saw the cracks or put pressure on the right seat stay or chainstay he would have noticed something was amiss, but he was racing A grade and the pressure was on.
There is no way he would have carried on if he realised his brand new frame was cracked, no one would have.
This seems to assume the frame was already cracked. Can you prove it was? If not, please stop stating it as fact when it is pure speculation.
Tinea Pedis wrote:Tomorrow is Friday, it happened on the weekend, yet the bike still hasn't made it back to the shop??
Should he had been there Monday morning at opening time waving his broken frame at the front door?
The bike shop has been rang, they are aware, they are open late on a Thursdy so he was going in last night. It's his race bike, he has other bikes.
I am yet to hear from him.
And yet in your opening post and a later post you stated it was with the LBS already. These contradictions make it harder to believe the other "facts" too.
53x12 wrote:So is the customer assumed innocent until the manufacturer can prove negligence/fault or is he guilty until he can prove he is innocent.
I can't speak for anyone else here, but my opinion is that both manufacturer and owner/rider are innocent until proven otherwise.
Walkercycling has, or so it appears, come on here stating that Specialized are guilty of supplying a frame that snapped with no external influence (poor setup, component failure, transit damage, etc.). I believe that, although this could be true, there are also several other posibilities (QR failure, rear mech going into wheel under power, etc.) that need to be considered. If the OP had posted the picture, simply saying "great skills to stay on", "great photo", or similar there would have been a massively different response to the "hey, look at this $h!t frame that failed for no apparent reason" style of the original post and his follow ups to other posters speculation/input.
The mode of failure as well as the decsribed position of the failures suggests outside influence is most likely, but not the only possible cause.
For both the chain and seat stay to fail simultaneously in a relativly low stressed area (mid points) is highly unlikely (but not impossible). I have seen someone ride down Ventoux with a busted seat stay on a Tarmac (rear mech went through it after catching spokes near the top of the climb) and the bike appeared stable (albeit at reduced speeds). More importantly, the chainstay didn't fail.
guys, this isnt life or death, a frame cracked, it happens. I HAVE NOT LAID BLAME, i raised a few possibilites of what i thought but not being an engineer I couldnt say it was becuase it was this or that?
I DONT KNOW WHY IT HAPPENED
I have tried to answer questions the best I can.
I thought he was dropping it off but couldnt make due to work committments, should i have posted sorry "rider couldnt make it to the LBS yesterday as 1st thought"
he couldnt make it to the shop, it will end up there (maybe he went there last night) I havent rang my friend today to ask him if he made it there,
he is a CFO for a large multinational organisation, he travels, he is busy.
All along I have said what I saw, I even posted a link on the same subject from our local forum to give everyone here a wider viewpoint on the subject and what local people are saying. I am M_Walker on that site. My comments are no different.
Others saw what happened and posted their thoughts,
Using the word "failure" has made me suddenly a liar, there has been alot finger pointing along those lines.
I really regret posting but the photo was worth seeing
I dont think my OP comment was unreasonable, I asked how and why it could happen.
I will let you know what happens