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Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2004 11:08 pm
by LOOK
Jim - I am the guy JTC is referring to with the CAT brakes. I've ridden on Durace, Campy Record, and CAT brakes on the same bike with the same wheels and I have found the CAT brakes superrior to all of them if you change out the brake pads that come with the CAT brakes. I changed to Dura Ace pads on my Ksyriums and Dura Ace carbon pads for my American Classic carbon wheels. If the brakes are set up properly and you use the stock pads that come with the brakes then you might find them difficult to stop on a decent like Hogpen. I wonder if Superlight is running the stock pads and having the same problems I had.
Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2004 11:10 pm
by Superlite
I tries 3 different types of pads, none provided nearly as good of stopping power as my DA brakes on fast technical descents. Like I said, using them is suicide on the kind of descents that are out in my back yard.
Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2004 11:10 pm
by Weenie
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Posted: Thu Jan 15, 2004 11:32 pm
by spytech
wow superlite, you use to love these brakes, all of a sudden you say they dont stop, you have them for while and now is that you say that. i am 168lbs, and i must say they do stop just as good as any campy or shimano brake.
for what its worth, i think the brakes are great, all the guys at toga bike shop that usually stick to traditional parts, said that the brake was A-OK, and that it would be something to get -except that the price was high.
Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2004 12:06 am
by Superlite
No offense, but you live in NY, not too many real hills out there. I loved my CAT's for the most part, but on descents, I'm talking 10% and up they suck. Don't trust them, wouldn't buy them again, and the owner of CAT brakes is very rude.
Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2004 12:12 am
by spytech
well, i live in uptown manhattan, 190st is the highest part of manhattan and our biggest hill is there i went down once (i had too
) and i would not be talking all this Gar - bage without testing them out. THEY HOLD UP, i do not know why you did not mention this before, in all your talks about the cat brakes, i practically got them because of you - now that i have them, i think they're all that and more. i may not have to much exp. on a road bike, but i do know when my brakes are suppose to stop.
Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2004 1:10 am
by Xterra Racer
I have to stick up for Superlight here. The mountain in Colorado are a rare breed!! It's not uncommon to come down a 10% twisting, turning, hairpin laden mountain road. And these are not just decents that last a few minutes.....some of these roads I train on up near Vail have that kind of pitch and decent for 10-20 miles.
I would give him the benifit of doubt when talking about technical decents.
Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2004 1:21 am
by Superlite
Thanks Xterra, only a Coloradan would understand.
Spytech, I never mentioned they sucked before on descents because I didn't even use them on steep descents until the end of the season, so I didn't know. For your terain they should work great. Yes they do stop the bike, but you said it yourself, your new to road, so trust me, compared to DA the can't hang on descents.
And I liked you definition of a descent, 190 St.
Dude, get out to Colorado and you will then know what mountains are. And if your wondering I have been to New York over a dozen times, upstate and in the city. The biggest climb I ever rode was Storm King, and that doesn't hold a light to the climbs out here.
Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2004 2:19 am
by ras11
I know this is wayyyyyy off subject... if my memory serves me correct, their's quite a nasty race up Bear Mt., just north of the City. Well... there used to be a race about 10-15years ago.
Hey superlite, have you run into Tyler yet! He's training in your back yard. don't be chatting on the internet all day, go get on his wheel!!!
CAT breaks... ah.. yeah... do they take food stamps?
Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2004 2:31 am
by Superlite
Nah, haven't seen Tyler, I think he's in Boulder Colorado. I have seen Mike Creed, new member of the US postal out on our group ride a couple weeks ago.
Posted: Fri Jan 16, 2004 11:34 pm
by jim
hello look, thanks for the info. it may be beneficial to run my existing dia-compe brake with ti-bolt setup on the front, and use a cat brake on the rear. last year i ran american classic carbon wheels at six gap, and had no problems on any of the descents with the dia-compe / ti-bolt setup with the carbon specific pads.
NEW CAT BRAKES
Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2004 4:30 pm
by BeeBee30
These new brakes are now featured at
WWW.CYCLINGNEWS.COM under TECH NEWS.
Re: NEW CAT BRAKES
Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2004 4:40 pm
by Ye Olde Balde One
They still look too "blocky". No flowing curves like everything else on the bike.
I'll keep waiting for AX Lightness to have me at the top of their waiting list.
Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2004 5:00 pm
by jim
you should all visit
http://www.zerogravitybike.com
the new brakes are detailed there
Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2004 6:40 pm
by mises
Doesn't anyone worry about using CNC to make brakes? I am an old enough fart to remember CNC cranks and other parts failing frequently (notch failures if I remember it right) and the subsequent total dominance of cold forging in cranks and brakes, so I could never trust CNC brakes.
If the cost of the AX calipers wasn't in excess of my lenient standards of reasonableness I would have no problem using those so if anyone wants to buy me some....
Images here
Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2004 7:14 pm
by danielgillett
from
http://www.zerogravitybike.com
from
http://www.cyclingnews.com
But. i think the best one is indeed, the ax-lightness caliper.
from
http://weightweenies.starbike.com
What is the weight of these calipers?
Images here
Posted: Thu Jan 29, 2004 7:14 pm
by Weenie
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