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CBRE wrote:I have nothing but troubles with clinchers, tubi's for me only since 1984.

So you had nothing but trouble with pre-1984 clinchers.......that's applicable to the conversation, thanks for that.

bm0p700f wrote:plently of worse ones inclusing the Conti attack and force.

Duh... pre Black Chili does not apply. Check your dates... and cross reference with the couple of dozen other tests published on the internet.

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There's no tests on them since they just recently came out, but the Specialized Roubaix Armadillos/Roubaixs seem to have a much lower RR than Gatorskins. My 25s ride a lot smoother, and I've had them on since early December riding about 14-20hrs/week on them and they're still going strong.

It all has to do with where you ride, what you're riding, and how careful you are. Its not like tubulars have some magical flat resistant quality because they're glued on or that the casing is so much more puncture resistant because the tube is sewn in. Good tires are good tires, bad tires are bad tires.

I decided to run Veloflex Master 22 w/ latex last year.....till I punctured 5 times in a month. Lovely ride, but I would even say in the wet they were sub par. I've switched to tubeless (Hutchinson Fusion 3) for training and wet racing and tubs for nice days when you want to feel special and race days (Evo CX, conti comp and sprinter gatorskin). I can't say enough about the tubeless in the rain, they rock. On my touring wheels I still run Conti 4 season 25's and they roll like crap vs my other options (but seem not to flat).

With either of those set ups you're negating pretty much any pinch-flat possibility while also decreasing your rolling resistance and increasing grip by running them at lower pressures.

rruff any links to these tests as I cannot find new tests of the black chilli attack and force.

The Attack and Force use the same casing as the GP4000, but with less tread. The Supersonic ditches the breaker belt and has even less tread. I haven't seen that one tested by Tour.

This is for the year 2011, Tour 9-2011: "Die Mischung machts", p. 31ff

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Continental GP Force/Attack
dimension (mm), front/rear: 22x20.6/24x23.3
weight (gramms): 184/196
rolling resistance (Watts): 31.3
puncture resilience (seconds): 180
wet grip (starts to swerve at km/h): 34
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Continental Grand Prix 4Season
dimension (mm): 24.8x24.6
weight (gramms): 222
rolling resistance (Watts): 40.4
puncture resilience (seconds): 180
wet grip (starts to swerve at km/h): 33
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Hutchison Fusion3
dimension (mm): 22.7x22.3
weight (gramms): 213
rolling resistance (Watts): 53.3
puncture resilience (seconds): 180
wet grip (starts to swerve at km/h): 31
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Hutchison Fusion 3 Tubeless
dimension (mm): 21.5x20
weight (gramms): 304
rolling resistance (Watts): 40
puncture resilience (seconds): 116
wet grip (starts to swerve at km/h): 31
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Michelin Pro Optimum
dimension (mm): 26x25.6/25.8
weight (gramms): 221/239
rolling resistance (Watts): 44.9
puncture resilience (seconds): 167
wet grip (starts to swerve at km/h): 33
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Michelin Pro4 Race Comp
dimension (mm): 22x21.1
weight (gramms): 181
rolling resistance (Watts): 40.9
puncture resilience (seconds): 112
wet grip (starts to swerve at km/h): 34
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Vittoria Diamante Pro
dimension (mm): 22.8x21.6
weight (gramms): 198
rolling resistance (Watts): 41.2
puncture resilience (seconds): 50
wet grip (starts to swerve at km/h): 30
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Vittoria Rubino Pro
dimension (mm): 22.8x22.1
weight (gramms): 253
rolling resistance (Watts): 41.5
puncture resilience (seconds): 95
wet grip (starts to swerve at km/h): 31
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Specialized Turbo Pro
dimension (mm): 22.2x21.5
weight (gramms): 202
rolling resistance (Watts): 45.6
puncture resilience (seconds): 180
wet grip (starts to swerve at km/h): 32
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Specialized Roubaix Pro
dimension (mm): 24x22.8
weight (gramms): 266
rolling resistance (Watts): 45.9
puncture resilience (seconds): 180
wet grip (starts to swerve at km/h): 32
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Schwalbe Ultemro ZX
dimension (mm): 23.2x22.3
weight (gramms): 189
rolling resistance (Watts): 40.9
puncture resilience (seconds): 180
wet grip (starts to swerve at km/h): 34
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Schwalbe Ultemro DD
dimension (mm): 24.5x22.9
weight (gramms): 232
rolling resistance (Watts): 53.4
puncture resilience (seconds): 154
wet grip (starts to swerve at km/h): 34
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No hi-end tyres from Vittoria or Veloflex. Why?