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PostPosted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 10:01 am 
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Been thinking. I have a set of stans tubeless wheels on my MTB and they are perfect, light, never had a puncture as they have the stans solution inside with standard tyres.

Anyone put in there road tubeless tyres some stans solution to stop punctures, can it be done, i cannot think of a reason for not doing it. You could then train on tubeless without having to carry a spare tyre ?

AND I have a pair of mavic kysriums on another road bike, can I put a pair of stans valves on the rims, some yellow rim tape and run tubless with pro race 3 and some stans solution ?

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 11:20 am 
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the stans mtb stuff probably won't withstand the pressure, you will end up with latex all over your bike AND a flat tyre.

I believe there are some road versions of tubeless sealant with a different make up to allow faster setting and/or higher pressures.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 11:37 am 
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I run road tubeless on Open Pro rims and it works a treat.

You need tubeless tyres though, such as Hutchinson Fusion2s. Pro Race 3 aren't suitable (and probably quite dangerous).

I just use the standard Stans sealant (about 30g ish), the Stans road valve, and the Stans tape. I've since found a much cheaper alternative to the Stans tape though.

There's an account of how I did it here

http://www.bikeradar.com/forum/viewtopi ... d+tubeless


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 1:07 pm 
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maddog 2,

good thread about road tyres.

May stick to tubes and pro race 3's on the Mavic Kysriums.

However will add some of the solution to my tubular tyres as this will defo help as I wont need to carry a spare tubular only a co2 pump.

I heard if you get a puncture in a tubular tyre with stans solution it will squirt the solution out due to the high pressure you run and then when it gets to a lower pressure it seals, then all you have to do is pump em back up to the correct pressure, sorted. :beerchug: :beerchug: :beerchug: :beerchug:

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 1:48 pm 
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kingkongsfinger wrote:
You could then train on tubeless without having to carry a spare tyre ?


you don't need to carry a spare tyre anyway...


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 2:40 pm 
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ah, ok

I thought you were on about tubeless, not tubular.

I've not punctured the tubeless road tyres yet - not that I'm aware of anyway - so I can't comment on if the sealant works okay. It usually does a decent job on the mtb tyres, so long as the hole/split is fairly small.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 3:09 pm 
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foz wrote:
kingkongsfinger wrote:
You could then train on tubeless without having to carry a spare tyre ?


you don't need to carry a spare tyre anyway...



What do you do then, walk home ?

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 3:28 pm 
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patch the tyre and reinflate and seat

or stick an inner tube in


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 3:35 pm 
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mattr wrote:
patch the tyre and reinflate and seat

or stick an inner tube in



Sorry I have got my knickers in a twist, I meant to say in the first post...

"You could then train on tubulars without having to carry a spare tubular tyre"

NOT!!!!!!!!! You could then train on tubeless without having to carry a spare tyre ?
:oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops: :oops:

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 5:02 pm 
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"Tubular tires and stans solution" in "road" forum. I assume you want to put stans in a tubular tire to prevent flats?

I have stans in both my Vittoria Corsa Evo tubular tires, and I have not flattened yet. Or maybe I have and haven't noticed it?
I don't know. So maybe it works, maybe it doesn't. At the moment I can not tell. It would require me to have a flat that stans did not instant fix, and then I would have proved that it does not work. whereas I can not prove that it does work (without running over nails on purpose).

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I will work on most punctures. I've used it in several tubulars and a set of tubeless.

One problem.

I use valve extenders (the type that you transfer the core to the end of, not like Zipp's). The sealant gunks things up and air doesn't go in or out very easily. I had to replace the valve extender and core and things are better.

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 5:33 pm 
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ergott wrote:
I will work on most punctures. I've used it in several tubulars and a set of tubeless.

One problem.

I use valve extenders (the type that you transfer the core to the end of, not like Zipp's). The sealant gunks things up and air doesn't go in or out very easily. I had to replace the valve extender and core and things are better.

-Eric


OK Great will try some in my tubular tyres as it should help from getting punctures, any recomended quantity for 23 mm tubulars !!

Thanks :D

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PostPosted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 6:23 pm 
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I think you're getting your definition of tubular tires confused. Tubular tires are not the kind of tires that require tubes; they are the ones that you glue onto the rim.


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PostPosted: Thu Dec 17, 2009 6:59 pm 
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In 20+ years on tubulars, I have only had two (2) sets of double flats. In the past several seasons (maybe 3) I have not carried a spare, but a can of Pitstop (plus a cell phone). I have never had to use it, so I don't know how well it will work. The principle is the same as using Stans, without the issue of having to 'ruin' a perfectly good tubular by putting some goop into it. That might be an option for you, too.


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There's no confusion...

The question is can you use stans fluid as a puncture protector in tubular tires and the answer is yes, but...

After a while, it will solidify and it adds rotating weight without giving you tire protection after a while...


The better solution is to use Vittoria pitstop canisters. You don't use it till you need it and it doesnt add wheel weight till you run it.


If I wanted to add a fluid otherwise it would be Effetto mariposa's caffe latex. But it will solidify after a time as well.

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