Leaving aside the merits of what RussellS wrote regarding road vs. cyclocross, does anyone lean a road bike through a turn at anywhere near as much as a 45 degree angle? I really don't know, but sounds suspicious to me.

Im a about to purchase my first set of tubular wheels and like the idea of using tubular tape rather than glue as it looks easier to use an will let me get used to riding on tubs without the fear of wondering if I've glued them on properly.

What's a good combination of tyre and tape to use on a carbon rim and do you still need to use adhesive to glue the tape to the rim?

Thanks

And to continue in that vein of thought, Time Triallists don't generally corner cranked over (that much) at high speed which would explain why taping would work usually for them too.

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Most tyres will send you right into the scenery at such an angle. 55 to 50 degrees is already quite extreme and only feasable at very high speeds IMHO.

The cornering forces are very different in cyclocross compared to road cycling. Therefore a different gluing technique may be appropriate. May. On road bikes on paved roads you can enter a turn at 20-30-40 mph. Descending a mountain you can easily lean the bike over at 45 degrees through a turn at 40 mph. On a cyclocross course you never reach those high of speeds. And most of the course is on grass, dirt terrain. Hairpin turns are usually not on paved roads in a cyclocross race. There is also the adhesion of the road surface. Paved roads grip the tire stronger than grass/dirt of a cyclocross course. The dirt/grass will slip when the tire bites into it on a turn. And there is the tread on the tire itself. Cyclocross tires are knobbies. They cannot grip as strongly as a smooth road tire. There is more rubber in contact with the ground on a road tire compared to a cyclocross tire in a turn. In a turn the cyclocross tire will slip, the bike will slide sideways on the slick grass/dirt. On a road bike in a turn the bike will probably not slide sideways. You might, but more likely you will flip the bike sideways or roll the tubular.

I ride clinchers

Then why did Einstein ride clinchers? Or was that perhaps because Mastik One was not yet available, thereby removing one aspect of superiority?

This has already been addressed.

Here is the summary so far as I see it:

* So far there is no compelling evidence that the Jantex glue/tape method posted with videos back near the beginning is flawed?

I don't think the guy from Planet X has any idea why he does it that way but it sure makes some nice publicity.
Bet he doesn't even have a clue why it's used that way in cyclo-cross either, if he did he'd realise why it serves no purpose on a road bike.

Once again, this Jantex tape (and this is not carpet layers's tape as some web journals suggest) comes with its coat of Tubasti cement which is an inferior cement that has nothing in common with more well reputed cement such as Mastik One, Conti and Schwalbe. Mixing different cements will not only make for an inferior bond it may well compromise the entire gluing job.
Those are facts.

Jantex has been around for ages and it was a convenient solution in the days of alloy rims only for those who didn't need a decent glue job such as recreational riders. It wasn't much good then it is even much worse on a carbon rim now.


* I think we are all more or less agreed that plain gluing is a superior method but also much more time consuming if done properly. It also produces a lower rolling resistance than tape (although that's not really being argued)

Most of the consumed time is going into waiting. Can't be that hard?

* Many people don't like Tufo tape, since it might be easy to apply but it is nightmare when it comes to changing a tub.

Once more one of those "brilliant" inventions by marketeers who have no idea what a good rim cement should be about.

And now to add some more fuel to the debate:
PlanetX shift a massive amount of wheels so I can't believe they would post something that doesn't work? (works for me so far, anyone else?). Again, I am happy to change if I find the method flawed, I'm just experimenting and believe everyone should make their own mind up. I don't race crits, I'm just a regular rider - I have no idea what the OP intends to do. Found this review of Jantex: http://road.cc/content/review/18602-vel ... bular-tape" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;"

Planet-X are box movers. Period.

Clinchers are so boring. At least with tubulars we can have some debate

Cheers

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Tubulars are going to be the most boring thing on earth if I need to repeat everything ad nauseam as well.

Some tips: Read everything by Jobst Brandt on tubulars.
Although he doesn't even care much about them, he generally knows more about them and tyres in general than all the other "clowns" on the internet combined.

Tubular gluing in a nutshell: http://www.parktool.com/blog/repair-help/tubular-tire-gluing
Well written by people that do understand what it's about.
If you understand what they're telling you, you won't need any video on You Tube or whatever. You'll also realise that gluing a tubular is quite straightforward.
All most people do however is invent ways to completely mess it up....

Ciao,