BrianAllan wrote:
HammerTime2 wrote:
BrianAllan wrote:
Aside from 1 Colnago model, I'm aware of very few "Italian" bikes made in Italy. It's kind of a silly point to make..
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All Viners (apart from two entry-level models manufactured overseas in order to keep prices competitive), are hand made by craftsmen at our Italian premises. Even the entry-level models are hand finished and painted here in Italy, under our watchful eye.
So, I didn't say that there aren't any bikes made in Italy. Obviously there are. More to the point, there are very few "major" manufacturers that produce frames in carbon. I love Pegoretti : )
Viner bikes has a website that makes me think they're 1. no longer in business or 2. that they're not of any substantial size and terrible run. Then again, the Italians have a flair for bad web design. It's April 2012 and they say, "SITE PRODUCT PAGES CLOSED FOR UPDATE". It's not even August yet : )
1. 3 Colnagos models are made in house in Italy. C59, EPQ and Master.
2. Viner are a very small company but still make most of their bikes in Italy. You were looking at the wrong website, this is the official one:
http://viner.it/3. Isn't Mario Cipollini's new RB1000 also made in Italy, despite the fact it is a monocoque?
But I agree all relatively small companies. Wiliers are not made in Italy, just like Bianchi's. I wish there was some proper EU rule about branding.
Anyway, back to Bianchi's - I'll always have a soft spot for them. I just wish they wouldn't mess around with cutting corners like alloy steerers on some models. Also spares availabilty in the UK was abysmal, I remember trying to get hold of some replacement forks, impossible. Hopefully though that's better now.
The Oltre looks much better in Celeste than in the limited edition matte black. Without paint I thought it was pretty ugly when I saw it in January.
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Bianchi Pinella, anyone has one ?
Updated: Racing again! Thought this was unlikely! Eventually, I may even have a decent race!
. The Oltre has some aerodynamic design qualities including internal cabling, and an aero-seatpost.
; I don't automatically assume a frameset with internal cabling and an aero seatpost is aerodynamic. I've never seen any data isolating the effect of internal cabling LOL. Anyone who's read the Tour tests etc. would know that the frames that test as aero have a bit more going on than the Oltre. 
