Weight Weenies
* FAQ    * Search    * Trending Topics
* Login   * Register
HOME Listings Blog NEW Galleries NEW FAQ Contact About Impressum
It is currently Tue Dec 06, 2016 1:24 pm
Recently the board software has been updated and there are some known bugs/failures:
- Avatars are currently not being displayed ✔ FIXED
- Tapatalk connection is currently broken ✔ FIXED
- Avatars cannot be uploaded ✔ FIXED

Please note that we will soon do some changes in WW board template design in case to get a fully mobile/desktop responsiveness board!
If you find more errors please post it here: http://weightweenies.starbike.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=139062


All times are UTC+01:00





Post new topic  This topic is locked, you cannot edit posts or make further replies.  [ 92 posts ]  Go to page Previous 13 4 5 6 7 Next
Author Message
PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 3:59 am 
Offline

Joined: Mon Sep 29, 2008 8:40 pm
Posts: 64
Location: South of the Republic of Boulder.
stephen@fibre-lyte wrote:
It's a commonly held opinion in the UK that US cars are brilliant in a straight line but not a patch on european cars for going round corners. Does that make those opinions Xenophobic?

That made me laugh! I think that this opinion is held by many on this side of the pond too, so it is not just a question of perspective. The reputation is certainly deserved based upon the US-made muscle cars of the 60's and 70's. I'm not sure we've (i.e. Americans and the American car industry) done too much to change that, especially compared to what comes out of Europe, but some of the higher end American cars probably hold up better by comparison than they used to. That sort of dovetails well with something I think you said earlier; namely that once you get such a reputation it can be difficult to change the public's perception.


Top
   
 
Posted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 3:59 am 


Top
   
 
PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 7:27 pm 
Offline
in the industry
User avatar

Joined: Sun Nov 21, 2004 2:45 pm
Posts: 2915
Location: London, UK
bones wrote:
I once saw an episode on the Jerry Springer show where the head of the KKK claimed to have black friends. So no. The fact that the Best in Show award this year went to an Asian builder does not mean jack.
You actually think that validates your extremist rantings? I'd keep quiet about watching that tripe!

Quote:
And how do I know about the Parlee snub? I was there. Don't give me some BS about how Parlee's method of constructing his mass-produced carbon frame was different than Crumpton's method of producing his own mass-produced carbon frame. That's just a cop-out. Parlee's mass-produced frame was made in Asia. Crumpton's mass produced frame was made in Italy. This same sheet has been going on for ages. In the deep south, landlords used to discriminate against blacks by making up all sorts of non-sense. It was difficult in the 60s, 70s, even today in some parts for blacks, hispanics, and other minorities to be able to rent when they are discriminated on the basis of race, but the landlord would claim another excuse.
The way a frame is constructed is important in deciding if it is truly handmade or not. Monocoque is far less skills intensive a wrapped joint constructed frame. The other thing you're ignoring is the criteria of volume. Parlee may be relatively small compared to Trek etc but they are probably one of the largest producers at NAHMBS. Crumpton is far smaller being one guy, so is far from being out of step with being what NAHMBS is about.

You seem to have an almost pathological inability to see degrees of anything. It has to be wrong or right, patriotism is xenophobia or racism. You also shoot yourself in the foot by not researching your facts thoroughly. Why not try debating rationally rather than pontificating inanely? Then we might actually take you seriously.


Top
   
 
PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 7:33 pm 
Offline
in the industry
User avatar

Joined: Sun Nov 21, 2004 2:45 pm
Posts: 2915
Location: London, UK
stephen@fibre-lyte wrote:
It's a commonly held opinion in the UK that US cars are brilliant in a straight line but not a patch on european cars for going round corners.

Especially when you bear in mind that when Ford needed a car that did go round corners properly so they could beat Ferrari they came to the UK.
Image


Top
   
 
PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 9:12 pm 
Offline

Joined: Fri Sep 03, 2004 2:52 am
Posts: 870
the year is 2012 NOT 1966.

check out the lap times from the green hell. viper/corvettes/camaro/cadillac. funny similiar situation in road bike technology. cervelo/cannondale/specialized/trek vs the old euro brands

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_N% ... _lap_times




ultimobici wrote:
stephen@fibre-lyte wrote:
It's a commonly held opinion in the UK that US cars are brilliant in a straight line but not a patch on european cars for going round corners.

Especially when you bear in mind that when Ford needed a car that did go round corners properly so they could beat Ferrari they came to the UK.
Image

_________________
Current Rides:

2016 Emonda ALR Team Issue E-Tap/Bora35


Top
   
 
PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 9:31 pm 
Offline
in the industry
User avatar

Joined: Sun Nov 21, 2004 2:45 pm
Posts: 2915
Location: London, UK
spartan wrote:
the year is 2012 NOT 1966.

check out the lap times from the green hell. viper/corvettes/camaro/cadillac. funny similiar situation in road bike technology. cervelo/cannondale/specialized/trek vs the old euro brands

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_N% ... _lap_times" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;




ultimobici wrote:
stephen@fibre-lyte wrote:
It's a commonly held opinion in the UK that US cars are brilliant in a straight line but not a patch on european cars for going round corners.

Especially when you bear in mind that when Ford needed a car that did go round corners properly so they could beat Ferrari they came to the UK.
Image
Flying laps of the Nurburgring are less the measure of excellence of the car and more the skill of the driver.

Name one international race won by an american car. It isn't possible because it hasn't happened on a track with corners other than banked left handers!

Le Mans - Never
Monza - Never
Monaco - Never
Silverstone - Never
Spa - Never
Magny Cours - Never
Etc etc...
:wink:


Top
   
 
PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 9:44 pm 
Offline

Joined: Sat Jan 06, 2007 9:47 pm
Posts: 3553
Location: Pittsburgh
Quickdraw wrote:
stephen@fibre-lyte wrote:
It's a commonly held opinion in the UK that US cars are brilliant in a straight line but not a patch on european cars for going round corners. Does that make those opinions Xenophobic?

That made me laugh! I think that this opinion is held by many on this side of the pond too, so it is not just a question of perspective. The reputation is certainly deserved based upon the US-made muscle cars of the 60's and 70's. I'm not sure we've (i.e. Americans and the American car industry) done too much to change that, especially compared to what comes out of Europe, but some of the higher end American cars probably hold up better by comparison than they used to. That sort of dovetails well with something I think you said earlier; namely that once you get such a reputation it can be difficult to change the public's perception.


Many of the US 'street' muscle cars are very torquey and fast. Just don't expect them to turn well. That's typically where they'll lose time to the European counterpart.

_________________
RUEGAMER 5.21kg, 11.48lbs

CRUMPTON 4.40kg, 9.70lbs


Top
   
 
PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 9:49 pm 
Offline

Joined: Wed Sep 05, 2007 2:02 pm
Posts: 419
I can remember Penske winning an F1 race in the 70s, and I'm not even into racing cars.


Top
   
 
PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 10:08 pm 
Offline
in the industry
User avatar

Joined: Sun Nov 21, 2004 2:45 pm
Posts: 2915
Location: London, UK
Mackers wrote:
I can remember Penske winning an F1 race in the 70s, and I'm not even into racing cars.

I stand corrected.


Top
   
 
PostPosted: Sat Mar 31, 2012 10:14 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Sep 30, 2011 2:11 pm
Posts: 256
Location: Columbus, Ohio
It appears I inadvertently opened the proverbial 'can-of-worms' with my original posting. Sorry, given the results. (I think Prendrefeu saw it coming early on.) I wasn't particularly interested in the VeloNews take on the NAHBS, nor the well-known fact that most of the high-end frames are now made in huge Asian factories. Instead, what intriqued me is the nature of that mass-production which often times appears to be very labor and skill-intensive, aka 'hand-made'. Despite the large volume setting, the frames we so often covet are still made one at a time by skilled craftsmen working with apparent pride/devotion as seen firsthand by Elviento during his Falco project (http://weightweenies.starbike.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=94417). I find his observations and experiences enlightening and devoid of some of the stereotypes and presumptions that plague those of us who have not had direct personal contact or insight into that production process and its implications.

So, IMHO this thread ran its course pages ago. Perhaps the moderators should shut it off, if possible...

_________________
Wilier Cento1 SR
13.10 lbs (5.95 kgs) w/Enve 3.4-Tune 70/170 & Conti Competitions tubulars
12.53 lbs (5.68 kgs) w/FarSports 24-Extralite & Vittoria CX EVO II tubulars


Top
   
 
PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 1:03 am 
Offline

Joined: Mon May 24, 2010 4:18 am
Posts: 397
Location: Australia
blantonator wrote:
Lets be clear, it's not racist to support the US economy, artisan bike builders, bike builders making an actual living wage and a country with environmental regulations.


This is along the lines of my thinking too. I would rather pay extra and look after my fellow kinsmen and to keep them in a job.

Looking at the unemployment rates across Europe (http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/tgm/ta ... 1&plugin=1) and for other countries, perhaps the notion of outsourcing for cheaper labour to reduce production costs for the benefit of the consumer is a concept marketed by business executives to sanitise the laying off millions of blue collar workers for the sake of a performance bonus pay check.

Over and out.
I


Top
   
 
PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 1:15 am 
Offline

Joined: Sat Feb 21, 2004 12:18 am
Posts: 29
Location: So Cal
Illuminate wrote:
blantonator wrote:
Lets be clear, it's not racist to support the US economy, artisan bike builders, bike builders making an actual living wage and a country with environmental regulations.


This is along the lines of my thinking too. I would rather pay extra and look after my fellow kinsmen and to keep them in a job.

Looking at the unemployment rates across Europe (http://epp.eurostat.ec.europa.eu/tgm/ta ... 1&plugin=1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;) and for other countries, perhaps the notion of outsourcing for cheaper labour to reduce production costs for the benefit of the consumer is a concept marketed by business executives to sanitise the laying off millions of blue collar workers for the sake of a performance bonus pay check.

Over and out.
I


Benefit of the consumer? Where in the heck did you get that from? Benefits are not in our pockets.


Top
   
 
PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 2:04 am 
Offline
Shop Owner

Joined: Sun Jan 08, 2006 9:12 am
Posts: 2194
Location: Alto, NM
shokhead wrote:
Benefit of the consumer? Where in the heck did you get that from? Benefits are not in our pockets.


Well... the consumers do get slightly cheaper products. Very slight in most cases... but it is enough for the companies to both increase profits and lower the price a bit, so it happens with great regularity.

I don't want to get too deep into globalization and the effect it has had on many (most?) developed countries... but let's just say I'm starting to believe in global conspiracies.


Top
   
 
PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 5:15 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Wed Oct 31, 2007 10:32 pm
Posts: 8350
Location: Los Feliz, Los Angeles, California
Fourthbook wrote:
It appears I inadvertently opened the proverbial 'can-of-worms' with my original posting. Sorry, given the results. (I think Prendrefeu saw it coming early on.)
So, IMHO this thread ran its course pages ago. Perhaps the moderators should shut it off, if possible...


Oh hush now, I'm just about to pop open another bag. :popcorn:

They just started referencing cars. I'm waiting until they reference WWII, then it'll get exciting! :lol:

_________________
Exp001 || Other projects in the works.


Top
   
 
PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 5:43 am 
Offline

Joined: Mon Jan 21, 2008 10:36 pm
Posts: 827
ultimobici wrote:

Name one international race won by an american car. It isn't possible because it hasn't happened on a track with corners other than banked left handers!

Le Mans - Never
Monza - Never
Monaco - Never
Silverstone - Never
Spa - Never
Magny Cours - Never
Etc etc...
:wink:



Corvette C6 ZR1- Le Mans GTEPro class win

Viper GTS-R= "won class at the 24 Hours of Le Mans, won the GT world title, won the 2000 Rolex 24 Hours at Daytona overall, and went on to win every race in the ALMS championship to take that title in its final racing season".


Top
   
 
Posted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 5:43 am 


Top
   
 
PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 2:03 pm 
Offline

Joined: Mon Mar 19, 2012 3:31 pm
Posts: 459
I had my frame made in N.Italy. If the actual, brazin' torch in hand framebuilder had been from China, I wouldn't care a hoot. Many things are well made via mass production, incl starter bikes. If you want to get to Carnegie hall, practice man, practice, which means 3-4 years before 'is brazin' torch became pro, and sold as pro.


Top
   
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic  This topic is locked, you cannot edit posts or make further replies.  [ 92 posts ]  Go to page Previous 13 4 5 6 7 Next

   Similar Topics   Author   Replies   Views   Last post 
There are no new unread posts for this topic. Help! Campagnolo Record 11 crank ghost shift in small-small combo

[ Go to page: 1 2 ]

in Road

Birdman

23

1146

Thu Jul 21, 2016 5:37 pm

Calnago View the latest post

There are no new unread posts for this topic. Colnago C60 carbon fiber origin

[ Go to page: 1 2 ]

in Road

nga

15

3620

Wed Jan 13, 2016 7:31 pm

Calnago View the latest post

There are no new unread posts for this topic. Attachment(s) Spacers with small outer diameter?

[ Go to page: 1 2 3 ]

in Road

cdtf

39

1963

Thu Feb 25, 2016 3:52 pm

cdtf View the latest post

There are no new unread posts for this topic. Small chip on my carbon wheel help please??

in Road

Allen254

5

452

Wed Jul 27, 2016 6:20 pm

Allen254 View the latest post

There are no new unread posts for this topic. 0 degree (or small setback) gloss finishing kit

in Road

micro553

1

167

Mon Sep 19, 2016 9:19 am

sawyer View the latest post


All times are UTC+01:00


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Google Adsense [Bot], MrMojo, MSNbot Media, tomvin90 and 39 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB® Forum Software © phpBB Limited