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PostPosted: Fri Sep 27, 2013 9:04 am 
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Road.cc mention that it's Spirit tubing:
http://road.cc/content/news/94681-cycle-show-2013-first-look-faves-condor-enigma-specialized-de-rosa-colnago

There's a stainless steel Acciaio too, though not with the 'Super' details like a tapered headtube.

Someone tore past me on their Super Acciaio the other day. Great looking bike.


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 27, 2013 9:09 am 
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The pictures show that the frame is made of
TT is AW
DT is AZ
ST is standard
and I've some doubts about seatstay and chainstay. Seat stay looks like AJ profile.
http://www.columbustubi.com/eng/4_4_2.htm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

This old Spirit has ver thin walls - 0,38.
Previous version off SA was more oval tubes. Then they said that this is the best shape. I guess now they will say the same thing.

Is it really a new version is better than the previous one?


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 27, 2013 9:19 am 
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this red Elite from Enigma is made from new HSS...

http://road.cc/content/news/94681-cycle ... sa-colnago


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 27, 2013 4:40 pm 
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and one interesting thing...warranty:

Condor - 3 years
Enigma - 10
independent fabrication...lifetime/5-year warranty on materials
Waterford - Waterford Precision Cycles, Inc. ("Waterford") warrants to the original retail owner against all defects in material or workmanship for Waterford Framesets sold by Waterford or through its authorized dealers without a time limit. :)


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PostPosted: Fri Sep 27, 2013 5:39 pm 
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That Enigma is some sweet looking huh? It might just be an illusion, but that downtube looks massive!!
And yeah. Generally companies that build their own products in house, are able to offer longer warranties.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 8:53 am 
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New Enigma:

http://www.enigmabikes.com/collections/ ... ucts/elite


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 12:10 pm 
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Loving the enigma elite, but with a 55 cm top tube the head tube is only 12.5 cm!! Surely everybody will need a number of spacers, which would ruin the aesthetics. Why didn't they match it with a 14 cm head tube.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 5:45 pm 
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I was thinking the exact same thing. Is there an upcharge for custom geometry? And with these head tubes being machined, are you stuck choosing between 125mm and 155mm or can you pick something in between? Other than that one small gripe, it looks like a serious contender in the steel frame market.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 6:15 pm 
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agree with you...better geo has Super Acciaio ...for me:) but I don't know if you can't order frame with custom geo. New Elite is very customizable, but for sure about geo you have to contact with Mark.
I know that's possible to change fork to for example enve:)


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 6:25 pm 
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The geometry on the Enigma seems to be too gapped. However, in the past they have always done custom geometry. Best to get in touch with Mark Reilly; he's quit easy to deal with. I've had two frames from him and both were custom geo.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 14, 2013 8:47 pm 
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My Condor SA 2014 is is said to arrive this week :)


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 15, 2013 11:59 pm 
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Of course, pictures are required ASAP.lol


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 2:13 pm 
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I've got a veeeeery similar steed...Rauler-built Deda XL tube set with a tapered fork and press fit BB:
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LOVE the bike...oversized steel is awesome for guys over 160 lbs.
Gave the bike to my buddy Eryn to ride after he broke his Merida and he has also been super-happy on her.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 16, 2013 9:35 pm 
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What's the going price of a Rauler?


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 8:41 pm 
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mathi wrote:
My Condor SA 2014 is is said to arrive this week :)


so has this arrived? - any comments / pics for those of us considering one?


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