Lightweight Meilenstein

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WeightySteve
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by WeightySteve

Andreas, so what age do 'current' Standard C's stretch to?

Like if you bought them from LBS January 2012 you would have wheels made in 2011 for sure, but if you bought them March, maybe you got wheels that were stored in the shop or your production store for 2 months and so they are from 2011. Or maybe they were made to order and indeed 'current'?

I realise gradual improvements took original Standard C's to where they are now, but how do we identify one Standard C from another? Chip Number ranges perhaps?

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CarbonSportsGmbH
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by CarbonSportsGmbH

As we always produce "on order", it only depends on shipping and dealers stock how old or new the wheels are that you can see in a shop.

To have a detailed differentiation we have to look in our database, where we can see all specific details on a wheel. This only works via the chipnumber (which is not consecutive!).
For a global differentiation between "old" Standard C" (produced up to ~Dec. 2011) and current Standard C / Meilenstein C please have a look on the pictures...
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by WeightySteve

Thank You Andreas for all your posts in this thread. It has been very reassuring having such a responsive (& suprisingly public) contact throughout my queries both pre, mid and post sales.

trisilver57, hope you get sorted out soon, seems the US to Europe link is the problem here because as you can see CS themselves are very supportive. During the timeline of this thread, I have also returned and had re-posted back one of the wheels for inspection (there was nothing wrong with it, I just wanted to be sure about a query). This process took about a week, from original collection (which CS arranged) back to delivery to my door.

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by Ulle

@ Carbonsports GmbH

Can you post a picture of Mailenstein's big logo on the new wheels? I would like to see the new graphic closer because I can't decide between the new graphic stile and the old one.

Thank You :beerchug:

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by J-Nice

Is there a price listed posted anywhere for the new Carbonsports wheel models?

Also, are there any plans in the works to make the rim width any wider than 19.5mm, as it seems to be the new thing to do nowadays?
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Ulle
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by Ulle

New Meilenstein Tubular:

20mm rim width
47,5mm rim depth
100kg weight limit

"Old" Standard III

19,5mm rim width
53mm rim depth
120kg weight limit

Is that correct?
Why the decreasing weight limit?


Thanks :beerchug:

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CarbonSportsGmbH
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Ulle wrote:New Meilenstein Tubular:

20mm rim width
47,5mm rim depth
100kg weight limit

"Old" Standard III

19,5mm rim width
53mm rim depth
120kg weight limit

Is that correct?
Why the decreasing weight limit?


Thanks :beerchug:

Semi-correct... :wink:
You forgot to compare the matching spokes counts and/or mixed up the types tubular and clincher:
Tubular:
Standard III 16/20: 100kg <=> Meilenstein 16/20: 100kg
Standard III 20/20: 120kg <=> Meilenstein 20/20: 120kg
Rim: 53mm <=> 53mm

Clincher:
Standard III C 16/20: 120kg <=> Meilenstein C 16/20: 120kg
Standard III C 20/20: 120kg <=> Meilenstein C 20/20: 120kg
Rim: 47,5mm <=> 47,5mm

=> no decreasing weight limit! (Which would be nonsense...the wheels are technically identical! Only the clincher models got a technical update, starting with production end of November 2011. Shape was not modified!)
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Ulle
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by Ulle

CarbonSportsGmbH wrote:Semi-correct... :wink:
You forgot to compare the matching spokes counts and/or mixed up the types tubular and clincher:
Tubular:
Standard III 16/20: 100kg <=> Meilenstein 16/20: 100kg
Standard III 20/20: 120kg <=> Meilenstein 20/20: 120kg
Rim: 53mm <=> 53mm

Clincher:
Standard III C 16/20: 120kg <=> Meilenstein C 16/20: 120kg
Standard III C 20/20: 120kg <=> Meilenstein C 20/20: 120kg
Rim: 47,5mm <=> 47,5mm

=> no decreasing weight limit! (Which would be nonsense...the wheels are technically identical! Only the clincher models got a technical update, starting with production end of November 2011. Shape was not modified!)


I found this at lighweight.info :noidea:
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Berk
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by Berk

Updated Meilenstein Tubulars - with 47.5mm?

http://www.bikerumor.com/2012/08/18/lig ... -tubulars/" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

They also lowered the overall rim height top 47.5mm (down from 53mm).


:noidea:

Tubular:
Standard III 16/20: 100kg <=> Meilenstein 16/20: 100kg
Standard III 20/20: 120kg <=> Meilenstein 20/20: 120kg
Rim: 53mm <=> 53mm

Clincher:
Standard III C 16/20: 120kg <=> Meilenstein C 16/20: 120kg
Standard III C 20/20: 120kg <=> Meilenstein C 20/20: 120kg
Rim: 47,5mm <=> 47,5mm
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CarbonSportsGmbH
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Ulle wrote:
CarbonSportsGmbH wrote:Semi-correct... :wink:
You forgot to compare the matching spokes counts and/or mixed up the types tubular and clincher:
Tubular:
Standard III 16/20: 100kg <=> Meilenstein 16/20: 100kg
Standard III 20/20: 120kg <=> Meilenstein 20/20: 120kg
Rim: 53mm <=> 53mm


I found this at lighweight.info :noidea:


Ahh..now I see the problem. I did not recognize you refer to the news that was posted e.g. at bikerumor.com... sorry for that!

So I have to correct myself:
Tubular:
Standard III 16/20: 100kg <=> Meilenstein III 16/20: 100kg <=> Meilenstein (MY2013) 16/20: 100kg
Standard III 20/20: 120kg <=> Meilenstein III 20/20: 120kg <=> Meilenstein (MY2013) 20/20: 120kg
Rim: 53mm <=> 53mm <=> 47,5

But: still no decreased weight limit! :wink:
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reggiebaseball
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by reggiebaseball

So when are the MY2013 wheels available? Or are they already shipping now?
What should we specify with our dealer when ordering if we want to ensure we get the MY2013?

thanks!

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Production will start shortly after Eurobike 2012. When ordering, just be sure to order "Gen. IV" or MY2013...
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by HammerTime2

Is there going to be a Gen. IV GIPFELSTURM? If so, what will be the differences from the Gen. III GIPFELSTURM?

WeightySteve
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by WeightySteve

Is there a MY2013 Meilenstein (C) on the way too, or is the current Meilenstein (C) ( which is <=> December 2011 onwards Standard III C's ) the latest gen clincher for the forseeable future?

I ask because Bikerumor says MY2013's will support 11s, but no news (that I have seen) about current wheels supporting (or accepting new freehub bodies to accept) CS 9000 cassettes.

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Ulle
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by Ulle

"The Meilenstein gets an upgraded brake track using similar tech that the clincher received earlier this year. The carbon layup and resin mix was changed to improved heat tolerance." from the Bike Rumor article....

Can You confirm that?
Will be used the same brake track available as optional/upgrade this year or another technical solution?

Thanks :beerchug:

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