Weight Weenies
* FAQ    * Search
* Login   * Register
HOME Listings Articles FAQ Contact About




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 25 posts ] 
Go to page 1, 2  Next
Author Message
PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 5:34 am 
Offline
Shop Owner

Joined: Sat Jun 13, 2009 4:02 am
Posts: 1908
Location: NoVA/DC
... and i dont mean "breaking frames".
http://www.cervelo.com/en_us/news-blog/company/article/announcement/2952/


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 5:42 am 
Offline
Moderator
User avatar

Joined: Fri Dec 10, 2004 10:22 am
Posts: 3753
Location: Little Rock, AR
Interesting. A good run as an independent business. I wonder how the [probable] new owners will change things.

_________________
Cervelo R3, Campagnolo Chorus/Record mix... pastatrails.blogspot.com
And you can call me Macktastik Honey Pete Kicks, thank you.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 6:53 am 
Offline
Moderator
User avatar

Joined: Fri Dec 10, 2004 10:22 am
Posts: 3753
Location: Little Rock, AR
An update: http://www.bicycleretailer.com/news/new ... n=addtoany

_________________
Cervelo R3, Campagnolo Chorus/Record mix... pastatrails.blogspot.com
And you can call me Macktastik Honey Pete Kicks, thank you.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 7:34 pm 
Offline

Joined: Fri Sep 03, 2004 2:52 am
Posts: 581
good discussion/information on cervelo over at slowtwitch forum.

cervelo's unique approach to clearing out inventory.
cervelo P5 needs to be a massive hit for them to rebuild relationship with there dealers.



"My understanding is that the LBS gets an R5 frame set instead of the $2000. The problem is that hardly anyone buys R5 frames. Building them will bring the cost up to the same as a complete bike so there's no upside for the LBS. They dump bikes people buy and get stuck with bikes people don't buy so much.

If that's correct it's kind of a bad deal for shops, great deal for Cervelo."


This is an accurate understanding of the situation.

ref

http://forum.slowtwitch.com/forum/Slowt ... P3692754-4" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

_________________
Current Rides:

2010 SWorks SL3 7090 di2
2013 Trek 6.5 PO 9070 di2


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 7:53 pm 
Offline

Joined: Thu May 01, 2008 8:51 pm
Posts: 701
Location: France
Also worth bearing in mind that Vroomen White Design, the engineering side of the company is a completely separate entity from Cervelo.

It would be the logical next step though, either a private buyer or IPO.

I only hope it doesn't change the overall dynamic behind the company, something which one largely feels was driven by Gerard and Phil.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 9:45 pm 
Offline

Joined: Thu Jan 03, 2008 6:14 am
Posts: 949
Location: by Crystal Springs (Sawyer Creek Trail)
As long as PON is just there to own Cervelo in name and help with the marketing/business side of things, I think this could be good news. As long as Cervelo maintains their engineering focus, nothing will change. In fact, this could give Cervelo more money for R&D


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Dec 25, 2011 12:43 am 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Mon Oct 17, 2011 7:26 pm
Posts: 121
Location: Germany
Are the announcement of the PON deal and their current blowout-sale just a coincidence?

For me it sounds like C. running high on inventory and low on cash. Very sad as I'd still rate them as one of the most innovative bike companies.

_________________
“I want to clear my conscience. I don’t want to be part of the problem any more.”


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Dec 25, 2011 2:12 am 
Offline

Joined: Wed Jan 25, 2006 8:32 pm
Posts: 528
Location: Bow of a Farr 40
Apparently they're in dire financial straights. A little birdy told me that Vroomen no longer works day to day at the company maybe b/c he needs to make a salary elsewhere or his and White's opinions of the future are quite divergent. One was certainly bent on world domination, the other was more pragmatic. They've been laying off people over the last year. I think the Test Team dented their bank balance.

This happened to many technology leaders like Merlin, Fat Chance, Litespeed, RockShox, Salsa, Klein, etc.: meteoric brand rise then a bit of a supernova before a grounding. Usually it's for the better.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Dec 25, 2011 3:54 am 
Offline
Moderator
User avatar

Joined: Fri Dec 10, 2004 10:22 am
Posts: 3753
Location: Little Rock, AR
Technical development/ability is in no way tied to being a good business person...

_________________
Cervelo R3, Campagnolo Chorus/Record mix... pastatrails.blogspot.com
And you can call me Macktastik Honey Pete Kicks, thank you.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Dec 25, 2011 4:34 am 
Offline
Shop Owner

Joined: Sat Jun 13, 2009 4:02 am
Posts: 1908
Location: NoVA/DC
vroomen has been out. works for slowtwitch(!)
cervelo's biggest problem has been that:
other companies caught up
they didnt see that and kept acting like theyre printing money
lost quality in fit/finish (until now with the VWD frames)
downright refused to make solid improvements from a bicycle user-friendliness standpoint
-cable guides that had so much friction, and forced cables to drag on frame parts
-still(!) no metal chainstay protection behind crank
-bb shells on their R-series bikes that disbonded year after year
-seatpost head on their S-series bikes just blows
-derailleur hanger stiffness that took two steps back last year
-junk in the frame that keeps cables from even being able to be fed through
-p4 "brake redesign" that merely improved it from horrendous to terrible
etc... gosh, i really could go on and on. (didnt realize i had quite this much pent up frustration!)

back on topic,
i hope this gives them the cashflow to make the improvements they need to make. and i hope they start listening to the people around them that are trying to help them.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Dec 25, 2011 9:39 am 
Offline

Joined: Thu May 01, 2008 8:51 pm
Posts: 701
Location: France
Yeah, some good points.

I think they have hit the problem that a lot of small companies encounter. Scaling a business is a lot harder than it looks.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Dec 25, 2011 10:07 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Sun Sep 23, 2007 5:06 am
Posts: 499
Please bring back the soloist and slc-sl names while change is in the air. The current alpha number naming is generic and without emotion.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Sun Dec 25, 2011 11:42 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Fri Dec 11, 2009 10:38 pm
Posts: 613
Location: Toronto
perhaps the new owners will move production to China :roll:

_________________
dangerous curves ahead


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 12:37 am 
Offline

Joined: Sat Nov 13, 2010 7:46 pm
Posts: 171
bikerjulio,

Are you differentiating mainland China from Taiwan? I ask because Cervelos are already made in Taiwan and I hope you didn't think they were made in Canada or the USA.


Top
 Profile  
 
PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2011 4:30 am 
Offline
Shop Owner

Joined: Sat Jun 13, 2009 4:02 am
Posts: 1908
Location: NoVA/DC
their carbon bikes have always been made in mainland china. i believe their aluminum bikes were from taiwan.


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 25 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: campbellrae, euan, kevinkalis and 19 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  

   Similar Topics   Author   Replies   Views   Last post 
There are no new unread posts for this topic. Zipp 101 - uneven breaking in the rear, faulty surface?

in Road

pbateman

1

205

Sun Jun 09, 2013 4:02 pm

thisisatest View the latest post

There are no new unread posts for this topic. Specialized Carbon Cranks - teeth breaking on chainrings

in Road

rhyslewisdavies

5

608

Sat Feb 09, 2013 10:18 pm

rhyslewisdavies View the latest post

This topic is locked, you cannot edit posts or make further replies. Any news on Campy EPS Internal Battery?

in Road

morrisond

4

588

Tue Jan 29, 2013 5:24 am

Powerful Pete View the latest post

There are no new unread posts for this topic. Any news about Turn/Praxis cranksets?

in Road

AGW

4

602

Sun Feb 10, 2013 5:29 pm

jooo View the latest post


It is currently Thu Jun 20, 2013 11:53 am

All times are UTC + 1 hour




Advertising   –  FAQ   –  Contact   –  Convert   –  About

© Weight Weenies 2000-2013
hosted by starbike.com


How to get rid of these ads? Just register!


Powered by phpBB