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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 1:10 pm 
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Well aren't you a clever bunch of Marxists for introducing women's only bike mechanic scholarships.

http://velonews.competitor.com/2014/10/ ... men_349974

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I look forward to the Park Tool range of women's only bike tools, out on sale soon, I believe. Special edition pink handles.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 1:46 pm 
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And what is wrong with it? This industry has a somewhat ropey track record in encouraging female participation both from a customer's point of view and in employment.

Or do you feel threatened?


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 2:25 pm 
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Someone doesn't understand Marxism...


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 3:27 pm 
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I want to see more women in all aspects of our sport. But, once again, creating "women only" opportunities is pretty much the opposite of "equality", which is what most women in the sport/industry say they want.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 7:52 pm 
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Unfortunately, we've had it our own way for far too long, so this is the easiest way to address the balance.

Marxism? LOL.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 7:57 pm 
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Fastest, maybe not the easiest.

Tend to agree with the OP, but reality comes into play and that makes things unbalanced again.

But, does a bike mechanic really make that much money?


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 9:12 pm 
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No one is against the idea of encouraging more women into professional areas traditionally dominated by men. For one, I would quite like to see a female refuse collector down my street one day because the only refuse collectors I have ever seen in my 40+ years on this planet have been male.

But Women's Only Scholarships are plain nasty and have a habit of backfiring.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 9:20 pm 
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How exactly will it back fire? Typically majority patriarchal kneejerk reaction. You're not going to have the overwhelming imbalance be flipped the other way because of a few scholarship, but it's a small start to addressing the issue.

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I suppose you're against minority only scholarships in all facets of society?


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 9:50 pm 
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I think it's great. I know a lot of women cyclists who feel talked down to at the LBS. Female LBS employees will be better for that. That will keep more women in cycling. More cyclists on the road means better treatment from drivers.

My interactions with female employees at the LBSes have all been positive. One of the great things about women is that when they don't know something they'll ask, rather than making up something that's invariably wrong like a lot of men will do. One of the reasons I started doing all my own wrenching is getting totally wrong information and service from the LBS. If I have to check their work I might as well do it myself.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 21, 2014 11:56 pm 
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russianbear wrote:

I suppose you're against minority only scholarships in all facets of society?



I oppose them as much as I oppose "white only" or "male only" scholarships in all facets of society. We don't see those though because they are exclusionary, sexist, or racist.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 12:21 am 
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Many scholarships only open to certain minorities. E.g. many aboriginal-only (among many other ethnicities) scholarships in Canada.

My view is that an individual or company giving out their own cash/product/whatever, can give it to whomever they choose, based upon whatever criterion they feel like choosing. That is the general basis of a scholarship.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 12:21 am 
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The entire industry is exclusionary and sexist. Much of it probably not even at a conscious level but it's there (there's a lot of talk at the moment about the 'Rooney rule' in the NFL where teams have to interview at least one minority candidate for any coaching position. As a result they're getting to know the strengths of people they wouldn't have thought of talking to). If it takes a few small inequalities to start to turn around a major gender imbalance then I don't see that as a problem.

It's like the old joke about why there's a women's day and an MLK day but no white male day. Every day's white male day.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 12:45 am 
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xnavalav8r wrote:
russianbear wrote:

I suppose you're against minority only scholarships in all facets of society?



I oppose them as much as I oppose "white only" or "male only" scholarships in all facets of society. We don't see those though because they are exclusionary, sexist, or racist.


We don't see those, because white males are the least disadvantaged group in the world. If you're a white male, you're playing the game on easy mode.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 12:50 am 
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Do you spout your archaic views to your wife/daughters/female coworkers or do you just save it up for WeightWeenies?

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 22, 2014 12:52 am 
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I'm all for it, this is a "top down" approach and I think it's supported from the "bottom up" as well. At least around here, women out on bikes has surged in the past few years. The ones I ride with and encounter casually, know stuff about cycling and bike mechanics, and if they don't, they want to know more. And they're very likely to not want to deal with the male-dominated BS they get at a bike shop. The industry would be wise to recognize this, at all levels. Marxist? Hilarious. It's capitalism. They recognize that one of their biggest demographics wants to walk into a bike shop and deal with a mechanic with the same gender, who understands their issues/concerns/perspective/etc. That's totally absent at today's LBS, and the ones who fill that void will make serious money.


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