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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 2:01 am 
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In any case, I forgot Moviestar is on Canyon this year, and since I like Canyon (who are very honest about most if not all aspects of their bikes) I feel better.


You're singling out Pinarello as the most egregious "deceitful" frame maker. They clearly state that their claimed frame weights are based on a "raw" frame, meaning without paint, derailleur hanger or seat clamp. The paint schemes on these frames can vary anywhere from 50-80 grams from each other, which is quite a bit. Makes sense to me...

I don't see folks perpetually bitching about brands like Cannondale after they plastered ad after ad about their "695 gram* WORLD'S LIGHTEST PRODUCTION BIKE" 2012 Evo Ultimate frame, which actually comes in anywhere from 725 to 800 grams. Then there's the "normalized" frame weight rubbish which many manufacturers use. Pinarello has never made frame weight its selling point, yet folks on this site are always talking trash, even though brands chasing victory in the weight weenie wars are consistently deceptive. They seem to get a pass.

Bottom line: HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE. People tend to hate on success.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 2:20 am 
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People have complained about the SS EVO weights on here - maybe you chose to ignore it because when it's in a raw state, a frame like that can be close to half of what a Dogma weighs? :lol:


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 6:50 am 
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Lumping Cunego with Bert and Valpiti is uninformed at best.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 7:24 am 
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Sure, maybe I should have used another person as an example, there is a bit to suggest that he may not have as much to hide compared with many of his contemporaries eg: http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/report-details-of-the-lampre-mantova-investigation-emerge

But anyway, that 'jab' was not a reference to doping (current or past), it was directed at their lack of placings during the last couple of seasons :lol:


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 8:53 am 
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Looks like another wet, wild, and windy MSR. If so, I reckon it doesn't end in a bunch sprint, maybe something more like a 5-10 man group.

I think with the Sky train controlling, Contador wouldn't have been able to attack like he did at TA....but it was nice watching it at least!

As for Cunego, he has all but admitted that his 2004 Giro was a bit dodgy, but I do believe he came clean later on. I always thought that this photo said a lot of words....

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Interesting developments in the Keisse case, with the compensation win.

Generally, I am very much in favour of precedence verdicts on sporting rules being established by the courts. Sometimes the sports rules are not consistent with labour (or other) law, which only adds to the precarious situation that many of the non-glam pros are working under. (Think pre Bosman case, where players were basically held hostage by the club, even though their contract was expired.)

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 3:21 pm 
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what's the keisse case ? link please?

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http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/keisse- ... gainst-uci

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 4:25 pm 
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ScuderiaDouroux wrote:
You're singling out Pinarello as the most egregious "deceitful" frame maker.
They clearly state that their claimed frame weights are based on a "raw" frame, meaning without paint, derailleur hanger or seat clamp...
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Bottom line: HATE HATE HATE HATE HATE. People tend to hate on success.

As you haven't been here that long, before taking the moral high ground you should search the site for actual Dogma frames on scales that aren't remotely close to the advertised weight. You would then understand why they've become a bit of laughing stock (weight-wise) on here.

Deda stems had a similar rep but they seemed to have mended their ways somewhat.


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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 9:35 pm 
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Why in the world is it part of public discourse? It should be 'withdrew for personal family reasons' at most.

tymon_tm, that 'do you like' is a facebook button link I believe and every article has it. Just very awkward in this situation (or for any tragic news story really).

Condolences to the Boonen family, wishing them strength during this trying time.


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Depends on you culture if it's part of public discourse, russianbear.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 10:09 pm 
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Personally and despite the troubled past, I really like Contador as a rider. I think the guy has style, aggression, fantastic instincts, and panache like few left in the peloton these days.


Me too. Even more so after seeing what he endured in the Armstrong Lie to win that Tour.

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Miscarriage are also very common. My wife had two before we had our second son. Its not fun of course but I don't recommend traumatizing it.


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 20, 2014 9:14 am 
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Pretty surprised by the MSR odds available ! Looks good for a wager, love to hear some predictions.

MSR has absolutely become my favourite race.

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Stannard 80/1 (bad weather forecast!)
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