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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 5:52 pm 
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The most damning thing I've heard on Horner is from Levi on the Creed podcast. Pretty subtle but yeah....

https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/open-mic-with-mike-creed/id668239719


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Want to post what part of the podcast it is at because I, and many others, have no desire to listen to these guys talk for an hour to hear 1 sentence or two.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 7:31 pm 
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Check out Horner's new book, hot off the press (October 1, 2013). Has some pretty racy topics.
Reading the Race
Bike Racing from Inside the Peloton
Jamie Smith with Chris Horner

In Reading the Race, race announcer Jamie Smith and veteran road captain Chris Horner team up to deliver a master class in bike racing strategies and tactics. Armed with strategies and tactics learned over thousands of races, cyclists and cycling fans will learn how to read a race—and see how to win it.

Bike racing is called a rolling chess game for a reason. Sure, a high pain threshold and a killer VO2max are helpful. But if you’re in it to win it, you need race smarts, and a little undetectable help. Starting breaks, forming alliances, microdoping, managing a lapped field, setting up a sprint—on every page, Horner and Smith reveal new secrets to faster racing and better results.

Smith and Horner dissect common mistakes, guiding riders with lessons learned from decades of racing experience. Reading the Race reveals the veteran’s eye view on:

Assembling the best possible team
Crafting strategies around the team, course, and rivals
Reacting instantly to common scenarios
Releasing bio passport data without understanding it
Making deals and combines
Breaks, echelons, blocking
Pack protocol and etiquette
Finishing in the prize money or on the podium
Winning the group ride


Whether you’re a new racer, an aspiring pro, a team manager, or even a roadside fan, Reading the Race will elevate your cycling IQ and hemoglobin for better racing.

Paperback with illustrations throughout.
7″ x 9″, 256 pp., $18.95, 9781937715106


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 8:50 pm 
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HammerTime2 wrote:
Check out Horner's new book, hot off the press (October 1, 2013). Has some pretty racy topics.
Reading the Race
Bike Racing from Inside the Peloton
Jamie Smith with Chris Horner

In Reading the Race, race announcer Jamie Smith and veteran road captain Chris Horner team up to deliver a master class in bike racing strategies and tactics. Armed with strategies and tactics learned over thousands of races, cyclists and cycling fans will learn how to read a race—and see how to win it.

Bike racing is called a rolling chess game for a reason. Sure, a high pain threshold and a killer VO2max are helpful. But if you’re in it to win it, you need race smarts, and a little undetectable help. Starting breaks, forming alliances, microdoping, managing a lapped field, setting up a sprint—on every page, Horner and Smith reveal new secrets to faster racing and better results.

Smith and Horner dissect common mistakes, guiding riders with lessons learned from decades of racing experience. Reading the Race reveals the veteran’s eye view on:

Assembling the best possible team
Crafting strategies around the team, course, and rivals
Reacting instantly to common scenarios
Releasing bio passport data without understanding it
Making deals and combines
Breaks, echelons, blocking
Pack protocol and etiquette
Finishing in the prize money or on the podium
Winning the group ride


Whether you’re a new racer, an aspiring pro, a team manager, or even a roadside fan, Reading the Race will elevate your cycling IQ and hemoglobin for better racing.

Paperback with illustrations throughout.
7″ x 9″, 256 pp., $18.95, 9781937715106




Hammer, how is that any different than what you posted yesterday AM? I am confused. Did you forget you posted this yesterday?


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Reading the Race
Bike Racing from Inside the Peloton
Jamie Smith with Chris Horner

In Reading the Race, race announcer Jamie Smith and veteran road captain Chris Horner team up to deliver a master class in bike racing strategies and tactics. Armed with strategies and tactics learned over thousands of races, cyclists and cycling fans will learn how to read a race—and see how to win it.

Bike racing is called a rolling chess game for a reason. Sure, a high pain threshold and a killer VO2max are helpful. But if you’re in it to win it, you need race smarts, and a little undetectable help. Starting breaks, forming alliances, microdoping, managing a lapped field, setting up a sprint—on every page, Horner and Smith reveal new secrets to faster racing and better results.

Smith and Horner dissect common mistakes, guiding riders with lessons learned from decades of racing experience. Reading the Race reveals the veteran’s eye view on:

Assembling the best possible team
Crafting strategies around the team, course, and rivals
Reacting instantly to common scenarios
Releasing bio passport data without understanding it
Making deals and combines
Breaks, echelons, blocking
Pack protocol and etiquette
Finishing in the prize money or on the podium
Winning the group ride


Whether you’re a new racer, an aspiring pro, a team manager, or even a roadside fan, Reading the Race will elevate your cycling IQ and hemoglobin for better racing.

Paperback with illustrations throughout.
7″ x 9″, 256 pp., $18.95, 9781937715106


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 9:27 pm 
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HammerTime2 has replaced J-Nice as dope police.
Not that there is anything wrong with that.

Unless it becomes a compulsive disorder.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 9:58 pm 
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Want to post what part of the podcast it is at because I, and many others, have no desire to listen to these guys talk for an hour to hear 1 sentence or two.


It's at the 29min mark.

MC - "Does stuff like seeing Horner keep going make you go like fack, he's older than me....."
LL - "uhhhhh..... I think I'll bite my tongue on that one...."


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 10:03 pm 
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HammerTime2 has replaced J-Nice as dope police.
Not that there is anything wrong with that.

Unless it becomes a compulsive disorder.


More like 53x12 is the new dupe police. Rather than just leave a dupe alone or report it like a good little brown shirt, he quotes it for posterity and confounds the litter. I believe he even sent me a PM about one of my posts to make sure I'd noticed something he'd posted about the same topic. Go ride your bike...


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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2013 10:28 pm 
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AGW, go ride your bike.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 26, 2013 1:02 am 
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Tour distances are holding strong since 2000. This year's tour was short, but with no prologue and only a single long time trial, 2014 is the longest in awhile:

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 1:51 am 
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ok, so which one won the sumo???


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 28, 2013 8:12 pm 
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http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/lefever ... he-giro-di

Interesting... I say that doing the giro, especially this particular giro, may have hurt with Cav's chances in the tour? Look at the results

2008- abandons giro halfway through, 4 tour stages
2009- abandons giro halfway through, 6 tour stages
2010- doesn't ride giro, 5 tour stages
2011- abandons giro halfway through, 5 tour stages and green jersey
2012- Goes for giro points, 3 Tour stages
2013- Wins giro points, 2 tour stages.

I just think that even when your are a sprinter, the rules still apply- you can't be on top form in both the giro and tour.


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Pure sprinters go for stage wins.
Cipollini packed his bags once the road headed up.
Look for Kittel to spoil Cav's party.

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