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PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 12:44 pm 
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At least it was for charity but he might be embarrassed if he tried to sell it on.


I honestly couldn't say either way, but let's just say that this guy would never really have to be worried about that, and leave it at that ;)


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"Regularly hammered PED users in the states"??? Sure, he won a bunch in the states but he could never really make a mark in the world tour....ever think that was because he wasn't doped?? What makes you think that American racing scene was doped to the gills? More likely it wasn't and that's precisely why we are under-represented in the WT.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 1:31 pm 
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PED use in the US peloton (at least at the top end) has not been "clean." Different types of PED, many would say just short of the Euro extreme level, but use of drugs was/is normal. The financial issue helped keep it at a lower level.
The vast difference in racing style, i.e. crits vs road racing, has a lot to do with guys being able to make the jump.
So doping has little to nothing to do with US representation in a sport that the US in general doesnt care about.
On a proper note, I hope Gearne release the USA version of the Chrono that Horner wears. Just dont call it the Horner edition!

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 1:32 pm 
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So any exceptional performance warrants suspicion and innuendo of PED use... oh right unless they ride for a Brit team.



Not at all but the facts here are the guy is 42 years old, he's from a nation that hasn't produced a clean GT contender in thirty years, and he regularly hammered PED abusers in the States for years during the height of the doping era. Therefore, logic is used to make my sad conclusions. Nibali's comments post stage yesterday seemed to suggest he was thinking along similar lines.
At least if you are going to state facts, make them correct, rather than exaggerated, rounded 'caricatures'. Horner is 41 years old, even if almost 42. As for who was the most recent clean U.S. GT contender, I'm not sure who you are counting. Lemond winning a GT in 1990, 23 years ago, and contending to some extent (7th in TdF) in 1991. Hampsten winning a GT in 1988, 25 years ago, and contending (4th place in TdF in 1992), 21 years ago. Or is Lemond out as not clean? Was Hampsten doping with anti-freeze on the Gavia in 1988 Giro?

Also by your logic, Wiggo couldn't have been clean, since GB had most recently produced a TdF winner, NEVER. And then the same would have to apply to Froome, as Wiggo wouldn't count, as he wasn't clean per above logic, As for your logic, Mr. Spock you're not. That doesn't mean that Horner is clean, but merely the illogic of your logic in determining him to not be.


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What makes you think that American racing scene was doped to the gills? More likely it wasn't and that's precisely why we are under-represented in the WT.


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A bit late in the game for a new contract?

15:54:23 CEST

The American still hasn't signalled his plans for 2014, and came into the Vuelta without a contract. Cyclingnews were told by one agent that his money demands were part of the problem, but also there aren't any teams on the look out for much needed UCI points this year. Horner may feel like his value will increase if he wins the Vuelta. That's that always the case. Casero was in a similar position, and Jonathan Vaughters wrote about that over a decade ago in Cycle Sport magazine - how many teams have finalised budgets already and places are thin on the ground.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 3:41 pm 
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Amazing how much knowledge there is here about US racing, when the sport is almost entirely european. US competition level must be on par with Kazajistan, for instance. I bet French female cycling has a higher level than US pro racing...

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pastronef wrote:
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Now back to interesting stuff, i was wondering how is new tech evolving in racing;

- Are now most riders in 25mm tires now for real? all movistar and euskaltel are still in 23mm.
- What about oval rings? are they disappearing? it's perhaps an sponsor thing?
- What about bont shoes? seems like sidi is still king, with the latest s-works coming strong too.
- Any rider/team still in non electronic groupset for regular stages (not time trials), apart from sram teams?

Cheers!! no more doping talk, there's no point I guess.


some Caja Rural riders, Millar, Froomey and other are using oval rings
S-Works shoes are coming very strong. Talansky, Santaromita, other BMC riders, some FDJ guys and others are using undranded S-works shoes
Nibali and Fuglsang are using mechanical groups, Net-App use mechanical Dura ace, IAM too


Thanks mate. Froome uses oval just in TT right? not in regular stages, AFAIK. Seems like netapp and iam use mechanical due to lower budget, perhaps... Interesting Nibali uses mechanical, although EPS sucks a tiny bit, apparently.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 3:47 pm 
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Guess not many are excited to take a punt on 'rider 15'

On the flipside, Wurf is drinking the coolaid so who knows?
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pastronef wrote:
some Caja Rural riders, Millar, Froomey and other are using oval rings
S-Works shoes are coming very strong. Talansky, Santaromita, other BMC riders, some FDJ guys and others are using undranded S-works shoes
Nibali and Fuglsang are using mechanical groups, Net-App use mechanical Dura ace, IAM too


I think a lot of the S-works are custom jobs.

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PostPosted: Fri Sep 13, 2013 4:13 pm 
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PURITO! wins stage 19

Horner gapped the leader

Ho, ho.

He will take the jersey

Oh, Nibali does not look like a happy camper.

So Horner started the day in second by three seconds and he now leads by three seconds. Tight, tight, tight.


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The one might not be decided until Madrid!


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I doubt that. The Angliru climb should make the selection.

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airwise wrote:
petepeterson wrote:
So any exceptional performance warrants suspicion and innuendo of PED use... oh right unless they ride for a Brit team.



Not at all but the facts here are the guy is 42 years old, he's from a nation that hasn't produced a clean GT contender in thirty years, and he regularly hammered PED abusers in the States for years during the height of the doping era. Therefore, logic is used to make my sad conclusions. Nibali's comments post stage yesterday seemed to suggest he was thinking along similar lines.


What did Nibali say??.Got a link?


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stella-azzurra wrote:
The Angliru climb should make the selection.


The only certainty is we'll all be watching. :)


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