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PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 5:16 pm 
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What were the Vegas odds on Horner winning or making it to the podium before the Vuelta started?


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great to see dopers back to cycling, otherwise it would be so boring. Pity he is over 40 y.o. but still great. At least this way is not so overwelming as Froome. Well done Horner!!!!! and also well done to your doctor!!!!

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 6:11 pm 
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Oh jeez...!

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 6:30 pm 
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I heard the guy isn't even riding the Vuelta himself. It's called holographic doping. He is in a secret Google office on a blue trainer and his image is projected ahead of Nibali by one of the UCI vehicles in the race.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 8:31 pm 
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I heard the guy isn't even riding the Vuelta himself. It's called holographic doping. He is in a secret Google office on a blue trainer and his image is projected ahead of Nibali by one of the UCI vehicles in the race.


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Liggero wrote:
great to see dopers back to cycling, otherwise it would be so boring. Pity he is over 40 y.o. but still great. At least this way is not so overwelming as Froome. Well done Horner!!!!! and also well done to your doctor!!!!


:roll:

There might a small amount of truth to your statements but let's give him the benefit of the doubt. Secondly, your consistent ramblings about doping is rather dull.


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It's just such a pity he is now only 3 seconds behind the leader. Give him at least a minute behind, 15 years less, and the same gasoline, and i bet he will make 4th or 3rd in the overall record chart for the Angliru. Even this year, he really doesn't need to make it at his 100% for this year Angliru, he just have to make it 3 seconds better... Real pity.

BTW, talking bout Angliru, is Cobo still alive? He never ever tested positive, neither... LOL

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 9:00 pm 
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Now back to interesting stuff, i was wondering how is new tech evolving in racing;

- Are now most riders in 25mm tires now for real? all movistar and euskaltel are still in 23mm.
- What about oval rings? are they disappearing? it's perhaps an sponsor thing?
- What about bont shoes? seems like sidi is still king, with the latest s-works coming strong too.
- Any rider/team still in non electronic groupset for regular stages (not time trials), apart from sram teams?

Cheers!! no more doping talk, there's no point I guess.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 9:20 pm 
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Cheers!! no more doping talk, there's no point I guess.

you seem to be keeping the doping issue alive ... as usual.

Good look to Horner. He's rode like a champion in a great race. I hope he wins.


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 9:25 pm 
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I'm really sorry but Horner reminds me a lot if another American grand tour winner. Purito, Nibali and Valverde grovelling up to the finish in pursuit of a 42 year old after a contract who looks like he's out on a group 2 club ride? Please!


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PostPosted: Thu Sep 12, 2013 9:27 pm 
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He's passed all the drug tests and has released his power numbers, just like Froome and Wiggins.

Maybe he has discovered marginal gains and scientific coaching?


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There's a red under every bed. Gets more like McCarthyism every day on here.


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He's passed all the drug tests and has released his power numbers, just like Froome and Wiggins.

Maybe he has discovered marginal gains and scientific coaching?


Don't forget Cobo!!!! he also passed all the drug test of the current competitions they are taking part in like LA, pantani, ulrich, cipollini, jalabert, olano...

wait 5-10 years, and then we can talk about it, cause right now both froome and horner are cristal clear dopers, until the contrary is proven. Last time I saw an oldy in a GT podium was mister LA...

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Check out the final 6K for stage 18

Horner killing it on the 20% grade.

http://www.rtve.es/alacarta/videos/vuel ... a/2017644/

This site (Spanish video commentators) has the complete video of the stages up to stage 18 so far.

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I guess innocent until proven guilty doesn't exist everywhere. He gives you no cause to doubt his performance when having proven that he's capable at performing at the top level before and he releases all his data to boot. He's almost 42, but then again, Jens is still performing spectacularly and you're not yelling and pointing fingers at him. Horner trains in San Diego all the time and is the nicest guy in the world and I would never accuse him of doping until I see a positive test. I would be more suspicious of Valverde seeing he actually has been caught doping before, but then again, no positive test and no reason to doubt, so I keep my mouth shut. All this meaningless speculation does nothing except to damage the sport.

As far as the racing goes, chapeau to Kiryienka for holding off those chasers so spectacularly. gives Sky a consolation prize to their otherwise dismal vuelta


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