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PostPosted: Thu Jul 25, 2013 3:41 pm 
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Stuart O'Grady on Lance's confession back at the TDU in January:

''Lance deceived everybody on the planet, us included, so obviously we wanted to believe it also - that he was winning the Tours clean,'' O'Grady said. ''We're all athletes out there suffering through the mountains and you'd like to think he was just training harder and working harder than we were".

Hmmmmmmmm :|

http://www.news.com.au/sport/robbie-mcewen-stuart-ogrady-and-simon-gerrans-cant-forgive-drug-cheat-lance-armstrong/story-fngr0c3c-1226557025866


Yeah, more than a bit distasteful......no worries, the Aussies will be throwing out the old "he had no choice because everyone else was doing it.....it's LAs fault" excuse for him.


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"I only did it once."

Did he get that one from Zabel - he has no use for that excuse any more...

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of past performance-enhancing methods, there are a lot of guys in the peloton who aren’t the riders they used to be only a few years ago. I won’t name names, but there’s a few elephants in the peloton who I’m sure you’re aware of. It astounds me that some are even Grand Tour winners. Should these guys be applauded for changing their ways now that we see they’re not the riders they once were? Well, I don’t think it was their choice really.


Contador...probably but why not the "untouchable" Evans?

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TSP is talking about EuropCar and their cortisone and the MPCC stuff. A few of their guys have gotten popped using cortisone right around race time which is an MPCC no no.


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As for the GT winners, it's obv Schelcks and Bertie as he singles them out later on, but certainly Cobo wouldn't be immune to that one either...


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TSP undoubtedly talking about Europcar.

What about Evans and his fall from grace, or is he just getting old, hard to judge if he was still fatigued from his reasonably good Giro showing. He is not at the top of the sport anymore.


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Yeah, I think FDJ.....Pinot comes to mind


No, I would say Europcar. I'm not saying a terrible year is a sign of having ever been on, or off the sauce but riders like Rolland are a long way off their 2011/12 performances.


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That speaks to the clear double-standard in cases like this.....I don't think he is a bad person, I don't think any are bad people necessarily, but if we condemn one person as a cheat and excuse another because "everyone was doing it" we are not being fair. A lie is a lie no matter who is telling it.

Agree 100%. If Armstrong's stripped of his Tour titles, then the same should apply to everyone caught or admitting to it. Testing has nothing to do with how a person is.


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What about Evans and his fall from grace, or is he just getting old, hard to judge if he was still fatigued from his reasonably good Giro showing. He is not at the top of the sport anymore.


I have faith in Evans. Not only is BMC a total mess, but his age and fatigue from the Giro are fair reasons for his Tour collapse.


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Pharmstrong wrote:
btompkins0112 wrote:
Yeah, I think FDJ.....Pinot comes to mind


No, I would say Europcar. I'm not saying a terrible year is a sign of having ever been on, or off the sauce but riders like Rolland are a long way off their 2011/12 performances.


Probably both were on the go-go juice tbh.

Also, Cuddles was old when he won....chances are he was on something also. Lets get out heads out of the sand.



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Pharm' Agree. I think the days when people can double up for the Giro and Tour and get on the podium are in the past. Of course we don't know, but I also have faith in Evans.


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maquisard wrote:
TSP undoubtedly talking about Europcar.

What about Evans and his fall from grace, or is he just getting old, hard to judge if he was still fatigued from his reasonably good Giro showing. He is not at the top of the sport anymore.


Can't include Tommy V in that though. Injuries have ruined his season so far.

Evans would've quit the Giro part the way through considering the conditions were so tough. It was supposed to be just training for the Tour. He only continued because he was so high in the standings.

He would've been second if it wasn't for his gears seizing up on the last mountain stage. Not a bad effort. Back to back tours battling for GC is difficult for anyone.


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maquisard wrote:
O'Grady needs to be more open.


How can he be more open or are you suggesting he's lying?

What about Jens Voigt? Isn't it difficult to believe he could manage all of those efforts against and with these guys without succumbing?


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I'm sure there are some '99 (and onwards) samples too. Strictly for scientific testing, of course. ;)


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