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PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 4:05 am 
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It just goes to show that when people want to like a doper the whole holier-than-thou arguments go out the window.

To be honest after the Tour I STILL do not get the Froome hate. Doping talk aside, the dude is perhaps the most level-headed, nicest, least primadonna of any of the recent Grand Tour winners. He's like Paddington Bear, but on a bike.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 4:23 am 
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Please don't lop all the 'doubters' in with the 'haters'. Geez I dislike that term... it's sooo... childish.
Anyway: I don't hate him, I just don't trust Sky. If anything I regard Froome with neutrality, but that's just a personal take on him and I do not hold a person's own opinion against them.

Just because a person does not agree with others to praise Froome's performance does not mean they need to be associated with those who have taken more extreme stances on the subjects brought up.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 5:34 am 
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 6:08 am 
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kbbpll wrote:
stella-azzurra wrote:
KWalker will tell you it's FAKE!

I'm not sure I would care if he was doped to the gills. Double standard, yes! No testing for anyone over 40, see how that shakes things up. :)


I wouldn't be at all surprised if he pops up on the list of 1998 positives that's getting released in France next week.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 6:23 am 
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I wouldn't be surprised if almost any rider from 1998 popped up on that list - it's how things were. Things have changed significantly since then.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 6:51 am 
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Chicken going full hamilton interesting read.

http://velorooms.com/index.php?topic=3007


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 7:01 am 
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cambrook wrote:
I wouldn't be surprised if almost any rider from 1998 popped up on that list - it's how things were.


Speculation is there will be about 28 names. Not all riders in the tours of 98 and 99 got tested, Voigt did for sure (led the mountains classification). Otherwise I agree with you that any rider had the potential to be positive back then.

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Things have changed significantly since then.


Only the quantity of substances consumed.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 11:20 am 
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Did people miss this dick move by Rolland?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQ5O0ObuGo4


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 11:39 am 
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Did people miss this dick move by Rolland?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQ5O0ObuGo4" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;


Saw that and his later dumb move of getting in the way of Froome. Not too sad that he lost the jersey....


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 1:50 pm 
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KWalker wrote:
It just goes to show that when people want to like a doper the whole holier-than-thou arguments go out the window.

To be honest after the Tour I STILL do not get the Froome hate. Doping talk aside, the dude is perhaps the most level-headed, nicest, least primadonna of any of the recent Grand Tour winners. He's like Paddington Bear, but on a bike.


I agree with Prendre, it's not about hating cause Froome looks like a nice lad but due to recent past facts, it's difficult to believe strong superiority (did I mispell?!?) like at this year Tour.
Not Froome's fault, not Sky's fault (althought they came out with the "we're clean and open" media package since the beginning) but the price pro cycling has to pay for some time.

On my side, I would like to know what happened in that magic Vuelta 2011, when he was almost let go by Sky.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 2:17 pm 
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I think people don't trust him because he looks mutant-skinny. That's okay for women but for men, it's never worked for people. Some primitive instinct the guy must be contagious.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 3:18 pm 
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Chicken going full hamilton interesting read.

http://velorooms.com/index.php?topic=3007


you know when you start (at a workplace) with 200 people within the next three weeks you have four broken collarbones, maybe a broken hip, you have people being hospitalised pretty much every day, and nobody in their sound mind would work in a place like that

Good stuff.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 3:26 pm 
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So, if we imagine looking at a list of late 90s retrospective positives...what would be the one name that would most surprise? The name that would massively disappoint those who believe that there were at least a few clean riders out there, and cast fresh doubt on today's performances?

For me, Chris Boardman - the general belief is that he was a great, great rider, and that his achievements clean in a dirty world were remarkable. If he were to turn up positive, I think everyone would 'have to stop believing in fairies' and I would turn from cynic to absolute pessimist.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 3:36 pm 
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Obree would do it for me

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 21, 2013 4:46 pm 
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+1 Boardman. That would make me very sad.

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