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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 7:00 pm 
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^hardly surprising.

pro cycling currently looks like a house of cards falling down in slow-motion

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Thank heavens that the EPO-using Jalabert didn't wind up completing and winning the 1998 TdF, thereby cheating the rightful winner Pantani out of his victory.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 7:37 pm 
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He was 5th in the Vuelta, behind former 4th Lance Armstrong.

Remaining top 3:
1. Abraham Olano Spain
2. Fernando Escartín Spain
3. José María Jiménez Spain

Curious timing since he just recently resigned as French national coach, citing a lack of support.

Interesting Olano has managed to stay out of the mud so far.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 7:54 pm 
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Olano had EPO in his test samples in the '99 Tour.

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pro cycling currently looks like a house of cards falling down in slow-motion
The happy nineties and noughties do, at least. Lets see how the 10s do in a few years, or when the AICAR test hits the fan.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 8:13 pm 
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"clean" Tour standings, kind of
http://cypresstrees.blogspot.it/2012/07 ... clean.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

and you still have to remove names, e.g. Nardello, Laiseka, Jalabert, Guerini,...

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 24, 2013 8:40 pm 
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Kjetil wrote:
tymon_tm wrote:
when the AICAR test hits the fan.


"Research purposes only"

VeloNation article: The substance first made the news in 2009 when the-then AFLD director Pierre Bordry said that he believed it was in use and that some riders were looking unnaturally thin to him.

I wonder what the average cut is on Team Sky jerseys? But Froome says his wins will not be stripped. AlCAR is too much on the radar for such brazenness.

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I wonder if Wiggo will go down in AICAR flames. For some reason I could see him being the type to pull a McGwire and say "well it wasn't banned at the time".

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You would've had to have been an insane rider to come anywhere near relevance in 1998 without EPO.


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and the question remains: how should pro cycling proceed (regarding doping) given the doping news appearing on a daily basis? we're getting closer and closer to the point where further testing and all the anti doping policies make no sense at all. it's becoming clear that cyclists are always at least one step ahead. so why bother?

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:06 am 
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Because since performances are clearly reduced relative to where they were in the glory days, the testing is working to some extent. If racing was a full-fuel chemistry test, I would lose all interest. It would have no relevance. I almost lost interst in the 1990's, because riders stopped having bad days, and the races become more of a flexing contest than a struggle between flawed rivals.

Zero positives is never going to happen, but that doesn't mean "why bother"? What's needed is lack of conflict of interest in the testing process, and of fairness in the application of the rules. That's what's been missing under Heinie & Fat Pat. That's why Cookson deserves his chance.

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the 'why bother' is for present state of affairs. there's no integrity, not even any consistent idea behind those random, desperate actions, that helplessly try to prove:

1. that things are delt with
2. that dopers are a minority

but what many (most?) people, not just cycling fans anymore, think is:

1. that doping is an inseparable attribute of cycling, and exists solely in this discipline
2. that it doesn't make sense to follow cycling if each and every race is most likely won by a cheater and the results are likely to be canceled

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 25, 2013 1:23 am 
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Kjetil wrote:
It's a trailer for a cyclist/driver awareness campaign.


but what does the cat have to do with anything?


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Re:
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Not my favorite for sure - but I'm glad that IMO the belkin kit looks better in the flesh... err fabric... than in this pic:

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Also I'm guessing Jalabert isn't the GT winner mentioned here: http://cyclingtips.com.au/2013/05/the-secret-pro-2/ seeing as he was pre bio-passport. I'm wondering when that news may be made public :?:


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