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PostPosted: Mon Jun 17, 2013 11:00 pm 
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airwise, i'm amazed how low you think of your fellow citizens regarding their familiarity with major european sport events. i always thought cycling is particularly popular among British folks, plus you do get Eurosport there don't you?


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http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/doping- ... eport-says

imagine such news 10 years ago. today it's just "oh, another one, thank god doping ended in 2006..."

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 1:09 am 
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belkin: can we all just agree that there's no such thing as a good looking cycle jersey? especially not in the pro peleton where even the best design has to be coated in sponsors thus destroying the original design. there is such a thing as OK looking jerseys, but they are few and far between and they will never really get much of a reaction above "meh".

exceptions apply to classic jersey designs, but then again they only look good now because they are classics - back in the day i'm sure we all would have criticized them for looking rubbish too.

now, cue all the people posting good looking jerseys... :D


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 6:18 am 
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I respectfully disagree with you on the point of "can we all just agree that there's no such thing as a good looking cycle jersey?" I do agree that Belkin's jersey is disappointing, but knowing how little priority that company places on actual graphic design, I'm not surprised that they put little effort behind getting a proper jersey put together after investing that much money into marketing their company.

AG2R's jersey is quite amazing (and, to be frank, the closest any pro peloton jersey has ever gotten to be relatively in-step with current haute fashion trends at the same time).
Xacobea had a great kit, but they no longer exist. Europcar is well thought out and understated. It works surprisingly well. Leopard-Trek's original jersey had 'instant classic' fame to it even though it was a rip-off of a previous 'anonymous/non-team' design. Optum-Kelly Benefits is good, particularly their framing of the Optum logo on the back.
Specialized-Lululemon kit is without a doubt one of the best ever, however only available for women.

Other recently great design, without going "classic" ? Cervelo test team.

Yes, many of those 'classic' jerseys that so many people think of being great design were actually pretty terrible in their day. They became 'classic' and 'beautiful' out of retrospect and the rose-tinted, often selective, hyperbole-driven memory that people tend to generate when looking at the past, particularly eras in which they were young and impressionable.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 6:24 am 
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With all respect, those of us old enough to remember wool don't consider any jersey to be "classic" if it's made of some crappy modern man made material that allows it to be printed all over with logos.

Simple is classic. The designs mentioned are, IMHO "adventurous" :wink:


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 8:42 am 
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Think I'd rather cycle in the heat in some crappy modern man made material than wool, even taking into account the nonsense hype about merino wool.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 8:52 am 
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Castelli has mostly got it right with Cervelo TT and the various Garmin incarnations. They've even perfected it so much now that when they make changes to it people don't notice.

I prefer modern fabrics to the ancient ones, but I'm of course a patriotic supporter of the Norwegian oil industry rather than the Australian wool industry, so there's a bias.

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 9:01 am 
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Allen,

see below exchange and guess the interviewee

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1. jerseys with short zips are crap for cooling.

A medium-length zip is all that's required. Full-length zips are
deprecated because they encourage unwise cyclists to expose their
bodies to public view, an alarming and ghastly sight that should be
discouraged. And full-length zips are very non-aero, so they must be
bad by today's thinking, right? However, there is a reason for
full-length, flapping non-aero jerseys - they need to be opened when
climbing in heat, because very little air penetrates these jerseys
compared with knitted jerseys, which do not need full length zips.
There is a reason pre-petrochem jerseys did not have full-length zips,
and it's not because the world lacked a sufficient supply of long
zips.

2. merino wool jerseys are too hot in hot weather.

See above re penetrability. Depends on grade of merino. Ibis make
summer jerseys that are extremely fine and light. My preferred cure
for hot weather is to keep out of it.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 11:08 am 
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Bell Air Attack...

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 11:40 am 
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I like the leaders jerseys at the Ster SLM. No enormous square for the team logos. Like Hinault.

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Bell Air Attack...


good find! is it a real new model or a Bell Faction?

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 2:36 pm 
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prendrefeu wrote:
AG2R's jersey is quite amazing (and, to be frank, the closest any pro peloton jersey has ever gotten to be relatively in-step with current haute fashion trends at the same time).


Were you high when you made this statement? :lol: :lol:

Tell me that the colors brown, white and light blue somehow work together. :mrgreen:

Here is the deal: cycling jerseys and cycling clothes in general only look good on pro cyclists no matter what the colors are. :smartass:

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I am not high at the moment and I completely agree with prendrefeu regarding Ag2R's kit and have stated this in the past on here. It is a departure from the worst things rampant in cycling clothing. Brown and blue is a very nice combination in my opinion. But what do I know I'm only a silly designer.


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PostPosted: Tue Jun 18, 2013 3:37 pm 
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I don't think I'll ever understand how people find the AG2R kit appealing.


The Specialized Lululemon kit is very slick though. My wife has been lusting after one for awhile.


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Rob81 wrote:
hansonator69 wrote:

Bell Air Attack...


good find! is it a real new model or a Bell Faction?


New model; appeared 1 or 2 weeks ago.

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petepeterson wrote:
I am not high at the moment and I completely agree with prendrefeu regarding Ag2R's kit and have stated this in the past on here. It is a departure from the worst things rampant in cycling clothing. Brown and blue is a very nice combination in my opinion. But what do I know I'm only a silly designer.



I tried to convince myself that brown would be the new black but can't seem to do it. Hmm brown hasn't taken off yet.
It's been a few years don't you think?

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