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FeitoSpain
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by FeitoSpain

djconnel wrote:(I started writing this before the preceding two posts, with which I agree)

Somebody needs to pull or the break gets caught and Stannard was likely so wasted at that point after having played his cards he knew he had zero chance against the eventual podium winners so he may as well just pull at the front where it's safe and hope for a crash or something. There's never much margin after the Poggio and the lead group may have been swarmed. As it is he ended up with a good placing.

I couldn't believe Phinney -- unbelievable finish for him to bridge up to the break from the foot of the Poggio.

I had picked Sky for the win but training in Tenerife doesn't get one ready for freezing rain.

Top 3 were Trek-SRAM, Cannondale-SRAM, and Trek-Shimano. Good day for SRAM, good day for mechanical shifters, good day for 10 speed. I was content.

It's true that Stannard has to pull, but in the last 1,5 km it's Sagan responsability, and he was on Stannard's wheel. Sagan was the main favourite, he was "obligued" to win, because a 2nd position when you're the favourite it's nothing. And Stannard didn't see this as well as Ciolek or Cancellara.

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Was Ciolek on Veloflex Criterium or Roubaix?

Norwegian round up:
EBH had stomach problems at Tenerife and said he barely got over Capo Berta. At Cipressa he was empty.
Mech problems caused Hushovd to end up behind the big split.
Kristoff again outsprints anybody in a long race if the weather is appalling enough.
Gabba finishing in the main group, probably quite amused that half the peloton was wearing his jersey.
Nordhaug hurt his hip in a crash 20k before neutralization and pedaled to the bus on one leg.
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by KWalker

Was Stannard on round rings?

Ciolek's bike is a 7 series Madone- note the lack of the rear brake/brake bridge in the traditional spot. Also on the Paradigm XXX saddle, which is interesting as most run that rebranded Prologo team saddle.
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by djconnel

FeitoSpain wrote:It's true that Stannard has to pull, but in the last 1,5 km it's Sagan responsability, and he was on Stannard's wheel. Sagan was the main favourite, he was "obligued" to win, because a 2nd position when you're the favourite it's nothing. And Stannard didn't see this as well as Ciolek or Cancellara.


I'm not sure what "obligation" has to do with it at that point. Sagan didn't need the break to stay away, although if they get caught then he has to contend with Cavendish or a counter-attack. Still, if I'm Sagan I'll take those chances over pulling the break 1.2 km (not 1.5). On the other hand, Sky had no cards left at that point: if the break got caught, Stannard gets 20th. So Stannard thinks "if I don't pull, then who will? Sagan? He doesn't need this. Cancellara? He's not going to pull Sagan to the line. Maybe he attacks. If he gets away, then we're back to the same question, but now it's for second. Better to keep the pace high and seal top-6."

It would have been interesting had the break paused and Phinney caught them. Would Phinney have a chance? He's a competitive sprinter even in pack sprints. But he would have been wasted from the long chase. So probably not.

Also, there seemed the undertone of question in the post-race stories that perhaps Phinney went against plan in chasing. He was supposed to support Gilbert and Hoshovd, it seems, not go after his own result. But in the end he had a brief window of opportunity and went for it, and Gilbert and Thor weren't in position to take advantage of that.

Funny how Trek finally gets it's MSR after years of so-close with Cancellera with it's sponsorship of a South African team. The Madone-7 does well in the wind tunnel, better than the Cannondale Evo. Aero-tuned bikes have done well here.

Worth rewatching: video here.
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Note: Another year where Haussler says he is back to normal and then does nothing. And Farrar crashes.
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by hna

Bring back the old world cup jersey! The protour jersey in later years was definately not a looker.

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KWalker wrote:Note: Another year where Haussler says he is back to normal and then does nothing. And Farrar crashes.


yea i laughed so hard when the eurosport commentator (i think deklin) was like 'sup with farrar, he crashed last year too' lol

this year's race was really good! loved the stannard and chava attempt. stannard (as everyone is saying) really surprised me!

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by plpete

KWalker wrote:Was Stannard on round rings?


Yup, round for Stannard - http://www.cyclingnews.com/milan-san-remo/photos/256762

Another Sky rider on round rings - http://www.cyclingnews.com/milan-san-remo/photos/256561

Seems like the oval ones are being used a bit more during the long climbing races/stages. I know that is where I prefer mine.

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by petepeterson

Farrar crashing was awesome. How does he do it with such consistency? It's quite amazing.

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by petepeterson

I think video from the Cipressa on is a great video on the do's and don'ts of finishing a bike race.

Stannard and chava made for great TV but both were tactically quite poor I thought. Stannard is understandably inexperienced in that regard at this level but chavanel should know better. He consistently makes poor decisions and blows through his matches too early or at the wrong time. Clearly he is one of the strongest guys (and UCI WT #1) and is a joy to watch but I think he could win a lot more if he were more intelligent.

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by hna

I disagree. It was not given that they would have been able to keep up with the attacks on the Poggio. They managed to get a head start on the climb and finish with the head group. The move was good. They probably wouldn't be able to finish better if they followed on the Poggio anyway.

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by plpete

I enjoyed seeing Gilbert attack at the descent from the Cipressa but unfortunately it was short lived. Didn't seem like he had the legs + slippery conditions didn't help either.

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I think the Stannard/Chavanel move was primarily focused on neutralizing the group-sprinter specialists (such as Cavendish, others near the front of the peloton). They had a notion that there was a chance that they might catch Cancellara and Sagan on their heels and took the risk just in case. Either way, it was effective: they neutralized the bunch sprinters lying in wait within the Peloton and forced Cancellara and Sagan to push just a little bit harder than they would have otherwise.

It would have been one thing for Cancellara and Sagan to attack on their own, but another to attack and chase down two strong riders ahead of them. In some part, the Stannard/Chavanel move also helped to tamper, just a bit, the capabilities of Cancellara and Sagan in the last 8km.

None of them, however, expected a sly and intelligent Ciolek to recognize this and take the role of 'quiet spy' while all of this was happening. If you watch this in DJConnel's link (La Une!) you can see how it all played out, and how Ciolek played a great game of stowing away on the Cancellara/Sagan-led attack flight. He hid from view when the others looked around - a few times when Cancellara or Sagan would look over one shoulder, Ciolek would be on the other side just out of view. He stayed silent. He stayed present. He watched as Stannard/Chavanel depleted Sagan and Cancellara, then only had to defeat Sagan and Cancellara on the line - two of the strongest and most capable riders in the peloton when the line is in sight.

One of the best MSRs in recent memory. It was like "chess at 30mph."
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by stella-azzurra

Magnus Backstedth who was commenting had picked Ciolek 30Km out if they all went for a sprint. Out of the three Ciolek was going to win the sprint anyway he is the sprinter after all. Although the 299Km in the legs could of changed things.
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