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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 1:39 am 
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New Lampre Merida TT rig in detail.

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Hating a 'drivetrain' choice on one bike vs. another is as imbecile as people getting into fist-fights at a motor race that they are not actually racing in Australia over a debate between two car companies. It really is ridiculous.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 1:41 am 
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That brake looks really out of place. The claimed 1.5 watt penalty out of 350 is only 4 seconds / hour, though.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 3:03 am 
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That brake looks really out of place. The claimed 1.5 watt penalty out of 350 is only 4 seconds / hour, though.


Oh dj i missed your geek posts, glad you're back in business!

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 3:53 am 
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I want to think that Cancellara couldn't have picked the stupidest possible Puerto codename if Hamilton's story is true.


So is Luigi a reference to the actor, then?

I think in hindsight these names were transparent. But I doubt the riders expected Fuentes to be raided and the bags confiscated. It's a bit like locking your bike in your own garage. It's easy to get sloppy: you don't expect anyone to get in there in the first place.

I disagree. I studied transnational organized crime in graduate school and its very rare that a public figure, such as an athlete, would engage in illicit activities and not take extreme precautions to cover their tracks.

Luigi Clasicamano? I mean, that just sounds stupid but I guess at the time he had yet to win a big classic? Cipo and Maria is the worst, but maybe that's his arrogance getting the better of him.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 6:19 am 
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The front cable routing on the Warp makes me cringe and this seems like a pretty lame reason for it:
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The Warp was originally meant to have Magura’s RT8 hydraulic brakes, but since these couldn’t work with Shimano Di2 levers Merida stuck with a conventional Dura-Ace calliper up front...


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 9:10 am 
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KWalker wrote:
...I studied transnational organized crime in graduate school and its very rare that a public figure, such as an athlete, would engage in illicit activities and not take extreme precautions to cover ther tracks...


Good thing you *studied* that. Reality says different. Watch the fallout from the Australian Crime Commission regarding doping in sport in relation to how un-organised these people are.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 9:57 am 
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still some mix of jersey zipps with Giant and Etxe Ondo

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 1:34 pm 
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@Tapeworm - The only problem with your example is that many of the people involved are basically neanderthals :lol:


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 2:00 pm 
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To keep the Australian references fresh, that Merida Warp front end manages to look dirty, mean and mighty unclean all at the same time.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 3:22 pm 
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My understanding is that the riders didnt come up with the code names in the first place and that most probably never thought it would be an issue anyway. I would be willing to bet that at that time close to half would have just used their own names to make sure they didnt get someone elses blood. Getting caught in Spain...come on! :wink:
Besides that, why is anyone surprised Cance is being named? You think he was clean? :roll:

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Tapeworm wrote:
KWalker wrote:
...I studied transnational organized crime in graduate school and its very rare that a public figure, such as an athlete, would engage in illicit activities and not take extreme precautions to cover ther tracks...


Good thing you *studied* that. Reality says different. Watch the fallout from the Australian Crime Commission regarding doping in sport in relation to how un-organised these people are.


Weird, because they used organized criminal groups to obtain the drugs. And they had systems in place for correlating usage of products to a strict training and competition schedule. Payments went through methods that were selected for being hard to trace and/or used informal cover up methods. In cycling's case, establishing fake companies to sell image rights as a cover up is pretty damn organized and advanced. Using code names, making secret trips, and operating in a way that emphasized avoiding detection is pretty common in organized criminal activity. In fact, the basic attempt to premeditate, plan, and carry out illegal activities satisfies the very definition of "organization" in its application to crime. Organized crime relies on the creation of parallel and sometimes covert systems in order to shade illicit activity and all of these athletes/criminals did just that. The fact that they weren't the best at it and slipped up does not mean they did not attempt to operate outside of the existing legal, regulatory, and corresponding social frameworks.

Here's the FBI's definition: "The FBI defines organized crime as any group having some manner of a formalized structure and whose primary objective is to obtain money through illegal activities. Such groups maintain their position through the use of actual or threatened violence, corrupt public officials, graft, or extortion, and generally have a significant impact on the people in their locales, region, or the country as a whole." source: http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate ... e/glossary

Formalized structure- check
Obtaining money through illegal activity- check
Use of corrupt public officials- I guess we will see on this one, but in the case of LA its been heavily implicated.
Significant impact- check

Man, CNN must be wrong too: http://www.cnn.com/2013/02/07/sport/aus ... -reaction/

Is your sole purpose to come off as a complete ass if I post anything? Or are there random pub med links you can pull that will refute any useful information I can add to this topic given that its my background, profession, and something I gained expertise in after years of studying/conducting research at a very high level?

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 4:25 pm 
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so in pro UCI rules, are teams just allowed to make any 'custom' parts they wish? or do they also have to be available for sale or something. like that carbon stem thing for sky's t-t bikes or the aluminum piece in the merida above.


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Parts have to be publicly available less than 9 months after they are first used in a UCI race.
But there are no limits on the price or on numbers to be sold.....


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 5:32 pm 
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You can buy components and complete bikes British Cycling, but they were never technically meant to be sold from what I can tell, so the prices are exorbitant.


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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2013 9:58 pm 
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KWalker wrote:
...link from CNN, waffle, research, how dare you question my knowledge...


Wow, such high *research* there, I'm surprised you don't consult for law enforcement agencies.

False businesses, code names, trying to avoid detection - ya, very organised right there. Because all of that is so revolutionary.

Sounds like these criminal organisations involved are so complex it's a wonder their involvement was ever discovered.
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