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PostPosted: Thu Feb 07, 2013 10:56 pm 
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I don't know about the numbers in general - we all know there's more to riding and racing than just those numbers.

My beautiful wife got tested at the Tour Village for the TDU a couple of week ago, and put out a 5 sec wattage of 685 - winning for all women tested that day. She wasn't especially impressed (particularly as a 12 year old girl won the juniors with 788 :shock: ). But based on that chart, she'd be a cat 2 racer (she's 55 kgs). She is always one of the last of her group to get up a climb, and has never won a sprint in her life (mind you, she doesn't race either).

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 12:17 am 
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...and you can't just look at a single number...


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 3:47 am 
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I dont get some of you. A vo2 max (5min) of 6.6W/kg puts Vos at the beginning of the mens "domestic pro" bracket. Is that bad? How many of you have a 5min better then hers? Geeez my best is only 6.2 and I thought that wasnt bad. I remember seeing some power values from the 2012 tour of california, a certain rider with an american national jersey was doing 10mins off the front of the peloton at 330watts (light rider). In my view with a 5min power like that Vos could at her best do well in a mens race.

An FTP of 6.5 is according to science of sport the maximum an un-doped human being could possibly reach. We are talking about guys like Wiggins, Froome, Contador at the height of their form. So hats off to Vos!

That's 6.5 for 1 hour at the end of a stage race for their lactate threshold power value. 5min power would obviously be even higher. The value you mentioned for 10min wasn't close to maximal and happened in the middle of a race.

The TT times listed above at a speed of 27.37 mph would imply ~44km/hr speed or basically a ~55 min 40km TT. That's not very fast- most cat 3's and good masters racers at our TT champs last year topped that. The Cat 2 I coach that finishes in the top 30 in regional stage race TT's is 3min faster in a 40km TT using the same pace. 37th place in the men's race had a faster speed (27.7mph) than 10th in the women's field. Wiggins rode at 32.4 mph and Gilbert, who isn't a good TT'er still hit 30. Armstrong hit 29.7. So the disparities for 1st-10th in the women's TT is more than from 1st to 25th in the men's race. So yah, they're fast, but not the same depth.

Armstrong used to attend my father's lunch ride back 10 or so years ago and she never solo'ed away or did anything magical from anecdotal reports of the rides. Female pro international CX racers did a group ride here this fall and tailgunned the back before getting dropped on the hills. No doubt the top 10 you listed there are good and could challenge lots sheerly based on their low weight alone, but having compared power files for a Pro women's NRC top tier criterium to a Pro mens, its ridiculous exactly how much slower they really are. We're taking as slow as a cat 2/3 field. I'm sure at the top international level its better, but otherwise its really not that impressive. Junior races are a lot more exciting. Sorry just calling it like it is.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 5:05 am 
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I just like to post here on page 1000 of this thread. I'll post again at page 2000.Later. :smartass:

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 5:06 am 
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@KWalker, so what are you arguing? Nobody is arguing if men are faster; it was a question of whether or not women could compete in a pro tour race. I maintain they aren't going to get dropped.

If your group ride dropped "Female pro international CX racers" it's because they didn't have anything to prove; they didn't like the group; or the ride didn't fit their training requirements.

What is your state TT? According to VA state TT results (https://www.usacycling.org/results/?permit=2012-1973" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;)

The Cat 3 winner averaged: 26.99 mph
Cat 1/2 winner averaged: 27:88 mph
The fastest time was in Masters 40+ at 29.53 mph

Again, post the data to back up your argument. We're all on Strava/Garmin right? I'll bring a master's woman to your ride and she won't get dropped. If she gets dropped I pay for my travel expenses & hers. If she hangs you pay our way. :D

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 5:40 am 
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Wow -- just snuck in here. This is a special occasion!

BTW, you can run the CP model to convert powers back-of-the-enveloper. Pmax(t) = CP ( 1 + 90 seconds / t ) works fairly well for 5 minutes out to 60 for someone with good endurance. With less endurance, it might fall off a bit towards an hour. So 5 min would be CP + 15%: 6.5 W/kg for 5 would be CP = 5.6 W/kg or so.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 5:43 am 
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Might as well.

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Cool


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 7:12 am 
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This thread is fine gents.

Carry on :thumbup:

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 9:11 am 
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Hopefully this text will still appear on page 1000.

EDIT: YAY! :mrgreen:


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 9:32 am 
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Just about?

Edit: YES!


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 9:37 am 
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Oh, go on then.


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Luigi Clasicomano named once again on Hamilton's interview. :mrgreen:

By the way, nice victory by Lars Boom, who did a cx style bike change before the final climb! :shock:


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PostPosted: Fri Feb 08, 2013 10:14 am 
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Ok.

Yes cx change was good idea.

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AND.....post 15000!

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