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PostPosted: Sun Nov 04, 2012 11:34 pm 
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maquisard wrote:
Not sure about Wiggins either, Mr Piste might have lost some of his pursuiting power due to specializing in climbing and long TTs. It would be interesting to see how his power profile has changed.


That would be fascinating. Guys like Wiggo, Cam Meyer, Theo Bos - track standouts, now on the road - would have to have a massiv change in their power profiles. Another example here would be Zdenek Stybar (sp? and I don't have the eastern Euro accent) from Cyclocross. He went back to the 'cross scene after a season on the road, and was nowhere near the dominant force that he used to be.

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 3:00 am 
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well he may have just been tired from a full season on the road.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 3:55 am 
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How 'bout that Nys?!


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 4:49 am 
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How 'bout that Nys?!


Incredible. In just about every race he's in where a crash or mechanical doesn't stop him from a top-2 placing, he teaches those damn youngsters how to ride some real 'cross! Timeless.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 1:50 pm 
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Tyler Hamilton making more accusations, this time about Jens Voigt.

http://www.sporten.dk/cykling/voigt-spytter-mig-i-ansigtet

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 2:34 pm 
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I dare to bet, Jens was also doping!

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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 2:40 pm 
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Maybe he did, maybe he didn't.

The article never states that he did, Hamilton doesn't even say he saw or suspected him of doping.

What it is does say is that Hamilton is of the opinion that Jens believes doping never happened, something that he ( Voigt ) has never actually said.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 3:03 pm 
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maquisard wrote:
What it is does say is that Hamilton is of the opinion that Jens believes doping never happened, something that he ( Voigt ) has never actually said.
I relied on the admittedly imperfect Google translation, but I don't believe that's what the articles says that Hamilton said that Jens said. Hamilton said that he doesn't believe Jens when Jens says that he didn't see or know of doping. I didn't read anywhere a claim that Jens believes doping never happened - rather that he didn't see or know of it - that's not the same thing. Now does Jens' assertion strain credulity? That determination is left as an exercise for the reader ... and the Jens fanboys (of whom there have been quite a few on this board).


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 3:16 pm 
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so is cav to OPQS a done deal

if so, what will most likely happen to their component sponsor sram. i know pro and shimano have followed cav around and he's all about these di2 sprint shifters etc . i dunno how these component sponsors work, but will OPQS maybe use shimano next year? cav use sram? cav use unbranded shimano stuff? i dunno.


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PostPosted: Mon Nov 05, 2012 3:17 pm 
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Well, Hamilton states that he cannot believe that Jens didn't talk with Jullich about doping. But then again Jullich states that he only doped 1998/1999. Again believe that if you will. They probably did talk about doping but not about personal doping programs. Since Jullich was not apparently doping at the time that is probably fair enough.

Some might say that what Voigt says is also backed up by Brad McGee who also saw nothing and is quite supportive of Voigt. Again believe that if you will but it is a balanced view against Tyler Hamilton, who apparently is the new Jesus of cycling.

Additionally Voigt rode for CA before CSC, a team which the likes of Boardman and Vaughters have also confirmed was free of a team driven doping programs. In fact, in the 90's it was probably the only clean French team. Moreau perhaps being an exception.


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Not saying Voigt never doped. But by the same token people actually believe Wiggins rode clean and won the Tour this year...


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Voigt has been around so many busted riders that it's hard to believe he's never doped . Top Bloke and all that . Nice guys can dope.


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One reason I have to believe that Jens either did not dope, or was not very good at it if he did, is that his career has been pretty flat. Sure, he's a great rider and talented domestique, but that's all he has ever been. He never went from domestique to climbing ace overnight and he's had a hell of a lot of misses for how many successes he's had. Had he not been so affable I doubt people would really care about him the same way that they do. Its the same as if Hoogerland had never hit that fence and finished afterwards in a way.

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Jens was never or never considered himself a team leader. He was always a super domestique who could really do a lot of damage and win the odd race or 2 . It would have been interesting to see what Jens could have done i.e. like Wiggo if he had put is mind to it. He can Climb pretty well for a big guy.
A lot of riders were doping . They had to in order to compete and push for there team leader .


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