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PostPosted: Sun Jan 24, 2010 11:27 pm 
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hello
what do you think of that idea? everyday tubulars for me is less than 100km/week, sometimes maybe even as low as 50-60kms (I'm a runner and only use bike road bike to improve my fitness, so it's 1-2 rides per week). I'm now moving to tubulars and would like to hear your opinions on Paris Roubaix cotton tubulars in 25mm, are they puncture proof? (I ride rather nicely paved roads and would only ride in dry, but sometimes road debris is still there). Hom many kilometers can I get from the rear tire?

The wheels would be some nice ambrosio tubular rims with DA hubs.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 12:34 am 
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Hi,

It sounds a little like taking the Rolls out to fetch Sunday morning croissants from the bakery shop around the corner to me....

I think a nice Veloflex Carbon or one of the new Vittoria Cxs would be overkill already but, hey, it's your money. 8)

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 2:23 am 
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Run them that's what it's all about enjoying the ride as much as possible


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 3:19 am 
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I mean, sure. They are the best thing going and it is your money. I wouldn't do it myself. Serious overkill IMO. Even pros who can effectively ride whatever tyres they want only bust out the re-labelled duggies a few times a season.

Even $25 vittoria rallye tyres will corner better than any clincher and ride as nicely as the best clinchers. Very puncture proof and last about a billion kilometres.

If you are on smooth sealed roads and only ride a limited number of km per week, non competetively, I would stick with clinchers myself.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 5:18 am 
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This is really going to just spark the clinchers v tubulars debate on training.

I would say its stupid and a waste of money.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 5:22 am 
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Were can I get these in the U.S. ? Does anyone ride 25's in races other then PR? I'm thinking about them for a certain crit that has a bit of bad surface ( nothing like PR but still bad enough )

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 9:17 am 
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if you can afford it why not. which means you buy at least 3, as new guys on tubs are sometimes plagued by punctures.


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 9:18 pm 
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I see your point about costs, but money is not an objection here - especially because the milage would be small. Second thing is, that I do care about my equipment and always like the best stuff. And I also believe that because life is short, we should enjoy it as much as possible, so why ride crappy tubulars? :noidea:

Does anyone have any expierence with Dugasts PR and can compare their puncture resistance to some other tubulars? I mean, are they close to Vittoria Pave or much worse? I have also heard that Dugasts 23's are wider than stated, and they are close to 24, so 25 would be more like 26 mm wide, is that true?

I like fdegrove's comparision about taking rolls to the bakery shop :thumbup: probably that's true about dugasts in my use - but hey Im not alone, there are Lightweight's users here that ride their bikes ocassionally and never race, so why shouldn't I try dugasts? :thumbup:


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PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 9:33 pm 
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AK47 no problem in you wanting the best. The only thing is that you have to understand that all the tubulars and clinchers will puncture at the same rate. Whether you have the best tubular or the worst tubular they will puncture with similar rates. THe ride quality thing is a different argument. I always like to conduct tests where the higher price brand is compared to a lower priced brand and when the brands are de-identified the user will pick the lower priced brand a fair number of times just because there is very little difference between the two brands other than name and marketing support

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Rusty, I don't know what races you do but, you might want these for Poolesville RR. I personally wouldn't, I'm gonna use Vit. Paves.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 12:52 am 
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ak47 wrote:
I like fdegrove's comparision about taking rolls to the bakery shop
O.J. used to drive his Bentley to the McDonald's drive through - he took houseguest Kato Kaelin with him.

I say super size those Dugast tubulars (at least the rear) as long as you have adequate clearance on the frame and brakes.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 1:00 am 
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You buy Dugast's because you want some of the finest tubulars to ride and that's the only reason you need for buying such rubber. They will puncture otherwise they wouldn't feel so nice.

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 1:50 am 
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I don't know, the Paris-Roubaix tires are pretty durable. I am running Dugast Paris-roubaix Seta 27s for my 'pave' wheels.

If you want really great tires for general road/racing use, I would recommend either of the Dugast or FMB Strada Cotton 22s. I am rinning the FMBs now and really recommend them highly.


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PostPosted: Tue Jan 26, 2010 3:57 am 
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I found them for sale for $115. Not that much more then other good tubulars.
As a matter of fact I had Poolesville in the back of my mind. FYI I'm 95 kilos so not such a bad idea

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 27, 2010 12:07 pm 
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:noidea: Why use these if you're not riding cobbles ?
It's like bolting tractor tires under your ferrari.

Better to use strada SP reinforced against flatting as well.

I've had maybe 10 flats in all riding tubulars.
And I've been riding since the 70's.Just lucky I guess.

Just watch where you're going and treat em well.
Clean or inspect the tires once in a while.

With your mileage I'd be more concerned with ageing of the materials than puncturing.


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