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PostPosted: Wed Oct 15, 2008 9:32 pm 
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1. fine of $100,000


So what happened to the UCI anti-doping pledge, the one Bettini refused?
Didn't that include a condition of refunding a year's salary if returning a positive?

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I think that was if in a UCI event.


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DocRay wrote:
1. fine of $100,000

You do realise the likes of Basso, Schumacher, Ullrich etc were on seven figures when they were caught? Kohl would have probably been able to quadruple or more his salary into that range if he hadn't been caught. $100,000 isn't enough for most of these guys. That's why the years salary made sense.


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The 26 year-old Kohl accepted responsibility for doping and said in a statement that he was withdrawing his option to have his B samples tested. Two of Kohl's A samples had tested positive after testing by the French Anti-Doping Agency (AFLD).

"I want to clean the slate," said a tearful Kohl in a conference broadcast by Austrian television.

"I succumbed to temptation. The pressure was incredibly strong. I am only a human being and in this exceptional situation, I showed weakness," Kohl said.

Kohl faces a possible suspension of up to two years plus a fine of one year's salary and presumably the return of his winnings from the Tour de France


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EURO wrote:
DocRay wrote:
1. fine of $100,000

You do realise the likes of Basso, Schumacher, Ullrich etc were on seven figures when they were caught? Kohl would have probably been able to quadruple or more his salary into that range if he hadn't been caught. $100,000 isn't enough for most of these guys. That's why the years salary made sense.


Ivan Basso closed his Operación Puerto case yesterday by negotiating a six-month sentence into a financial penalty of €10,800, according to La Gazzetta dello Sport.

His sporting suspension ends October 24 and he will race the Japan Cup two days later -- his only race in 2008.


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The 26 year-old Kohl accepted responsibility for doping and said in a statement that he was withdrawing his option to have his B samples tested. Two of Kohl's A samples had tested positive after testing by the French Anti-Doping Agency (AFLD).

"I want to clean the slate," said a tearful Kohl in a conference broadcast by Austrian television.

"I succumbed to temptation. The pressure was incredibly strong. I am only a human being and in this exceptional situation, I showed weakness," Kohl said.

Kohl faces a possible suspension of up to two years plus a fine of one year's salary and presumably the return of his winnings from the Tour de France


Wow! No 10 whiskeys, chimera twin, spiked sample, 'the French are out to get me' excuse! Incredible. Now, will Kohl name names?

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Ivan Basso closed his Operación Puerto case yesterday by negotiating a six-month sentence into a financial penalty of €10,800


A €10,800 fine is more criminal than the original charge. That's hurts him about as much as a parking fine hurts the likes of us.

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Sprinter wrote:
stella-azzurra wrote:
The 26 year-old Kohl accepted responsibility for doping and said in a statement that he was withdrawing his option to have his B samples tested. Two of Kohl's A samples had tested positive after testing by the French Anti-Doping Agency (AFLD).

"I want to clean the slate," said a tearful Kohl in a conference broadcast by Austrian television.

"I succumbed to temptation. The pressure was incredibly strong. I am only a human being and in this exceptional situation, I showed weakness," Kohl said.

Kohl faces a possible suspension of up to two years plus a fine of one year's salary and presumably the return of his winnings from the Tour de France


Wow! No 10 whiskeys, chimera twin, spiked sample, 'the French are out to get me' excuse! Incredible. Now, will Kohl name names?


I read on the ORF ( Austrian News ) that Khol will name names , at the appropriate time and to the appropriate people. These are contacts outwith his close circle. I`m also glad to see no mother and dog excuses.


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No silly excuses from Kohl? Bollocks!

He claims it was a one-off because he crashed in the Dauphine and lost form prior to the tour. What a total pile of horseshit. Does he think we are idiots?

Gerolsteiner were going to break up at the end of the season. Both he and Schumacher were looking for a new contract during the crucial contract negotiation period of the Tour. Go figure.

This is as stupid as the Basso 'I never doped before, they just extracted some blood' nonsense.


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No silly excuses from Kohl? Bollocks!

He claims it was a one-off because he crashed in the Dauphine and lost form prior to the tour. What a total pile of horseshit. Does he think we are idiots?

Gerolsteiner were going to break up at the end of the season. Both he and Schumacher were looking for a new contract during the crucial contract negotiation period of the Tour. Go figure.

This is as stupid as the Basso 'I never doped before, they just extracted some blood' nonsense.


You`re right about his spin on the reason for doping ie the emphasis on lack of form , his crashes , need for a new contract. Also , you don`t go from having catastrophic form to a podium in the Toer in a few weeks.
But it`s an improvement on outright denial , he could have brazened it out , gone down the procedure , process , legal path blah blah.


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It is better than the "the lab made an error", at least he has said there's no need to test the B-sample.

But he's still playing the "poor victim" card, little Bernie hurt himself and so he had to dope. There are no excuses for this, he decided to order CERA, to pay for it, to inject it and then to line up for the race, it took a lot of planning to dope like this, it wasn't a mistake made a 3am from fear.


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How did Zulle put it..."the law says the speed limit is 100km/h but everyone is driving at 120km/h" It's the guys who can't afford/don't want to pay for blood doping that use CERA and EPO and get caught.

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Next year's Tour of Germany has just been called off according to race organizer Kai Rapp.

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Next year's Tour of Germany has just been called off according to race organizer Kai Rapp.

I guess more air time for clean pro sports like soccer?

We see it again. When you try to do the right thing you will suffer. If cycling would have kept on swiping the problem under the rug it would be all good. When you try to clean a pro sport you get shit. Life is tough.

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OJ wrote:
How did Zulle put it..."the law says the speed limit is 100km/h but everyone is driving at 120km/h" It's the guys who can't afford/don't want to pay for blood doping that use CERA and EPO and get caught.


Exacty! Why no positives on the big teams? What happened to the rumoured "irregular blood values" of the 5 x CSC, 2 x Columbia etc? Perhaps some discreet fines/bribes, all is kept quiet, no scandal, no mega $ sponsors leaving the sport....


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