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I live in the U.S in an area that such could get you shot so I've been trying to express myself in a more international way. Biting by thumb or giving a back hand under the chin. Problem is being a typical stupid American I must admit that I don't know exactly what these mean. This is not such a bad thing as my fellow Americans are also clueless So I get out my rage with no harm. If someone would like to help me expand my knowledge base feel free to PM me with these or any other expressions of gratitude that will make me a world class bike rider Photos would also be helpfull for those truly unique expressions of love that I can share with my fellow road users
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Ahh, the single finger salute. djconnel, you should use that as your avatar! LOL!
I try not to respond to motorists at all.
I always have my gun in my jersey at the ready, in case someone decides to threaten my life in some way. I hope I never need it, but I am glad that I live in a place that allows me to be armed and protect myself. You never know what someone will try to do.
I try not to respond to motorists at all.
I always have my gun in my jersey at the ready, in case someone decides to threaten my life in some way. I hope I never need it, but I am glad that I live in a place that allows me to be armed and protect myself. You never know what someone will try to do.
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I have yet to understand how you can come to the conclusion that you can defend yourself against a 3000 lb vehicle coming up behind you with a handgun while your out of breath, shaking, sweaty and firing at a moving target that by the time you get your gun has already killed you or left the area. Let us hope your incedent does not happen around any populated area were bystanders will be hurt. More possable is the injury that your weapon will inflict when you land on it in a crash (I assume it does not discharge). I am not anti gun BTW, just anti doing dumb stuff
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Singletrackmind wrote:I always have my gun in my jersey at the ready, in case someone decides to threaten my life in some way. I hope I never need it, but I am glad that I live in a place that allows me to be armed and protect myself.
Perhaps you can explain to us poor foreign people who don't/can't/wouldn't carry guns the following doubt:
Who actually gives you the right to decide under what circumstances you should shoot Isn't this a hazy area at the best of times? How can you be certain you won't over-react if you've been enraged & your adrenaline is pumping? In that respect, police are trained professionals, the majority of citizens are not (in my opinion).
See, Americans can say "guns don't kill people, people do" as much as they want, but I'm pretty sure that the US homicide rate is higher than any other westernised country. Of course, correct me if I'm wrong.
I think you have to ask yourelves why America has so many incidences of mis-directed violence before you can look at a true solution.
Great cycling spirit!Singletrackmind wrote:I always have my gun in my jersey at the ready, in case someone decides to threaten my life in some way. I hope I never need it, but I am glad that I live in a place that allows me to be armed and protect myself. You never know what someone will try to do.
You are glad that you have to protect yourself with a gun when cycling? It's the other way around: the rest of the world should be glad that they don't need guns to protect themselves.
Surely singletrack was joking?????
A gun in the back pocket isn't particularly WW either. What do they weigh? Are they dimpled? Maybe the bullets are.
Maybe us Aussies are to laid back, yeah some people annoy me, but a gun!!
A gun in the back pocket isn't particularly WW either. What do they weigh? Are they dimpled? Maybe the bullets are.
Maybe us Aussies are to laid back, yeah some people annoy me, but a gun!!
Singletrackmind wrote:I always have my gun in my jersey at the ready, in case someone decides to threaten my life in some way. I hope I never need it, but I am glad that I live in a place that allows me to be armed and protect myself. You never know what someone will try to do.
I´m glad that I live in a place where it´s not neccesary to carry weapons to protect myself... (From eg. some morron with a handgun).
synchronicity wrote:Singletrackmind wrote:I always have my gun in my jersey at the ready, in case someone decides to threaten my life in some way. I hope I never need it, but I am glad that I live in a place that allows me to be armed and protect myself.
Perhaps you can explain to us poor foreign people who don't/can't/wouldn't carry guns the following doubt:
Who actually gives you the right to decide under what circumstances you should shoot Isn't this a hazy area at the best of times? How can you be certain you won't over-react if you've been enraged & your adrenaline is pumping? In that respect, police are trained professionals, the majority of citizens are not (in my opinion).
See, Americans can say "guns don't kill people, people do" as much as they want, but I'm pretty sure that the US homicide rate is higher than any other westernised country. Of course, correct me if I'm wrong.
I think you have to ask yourelves why America has so many incidences of mis-directed violence before you can look at a true solution.
Just as fair to say 'cars don't kill, people do' . Sounds like he's just equalling up the odds.
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Ahh, I never said that I could defend myself from a 3000lb moving vehicle coming from behind me. There are bad situations though that I can defend myself against and I exercise my right to do so. True, that any shot made while breathing heavy, shaking, and sweaty would be more difficult. I practice as often as I can with my various weapons. Also, I would never attempt any shot that was not clean. When you carry a handgun you are responsible for the projectiles no matter where they may end up. My gun can not and will not discharge in the event of a crash. I am 100% certain of this. I am glad to hear that you are not anti gun and rest assured that I dislike stupid acts myself.rustychain wrote:I have yet to understand how you can come to the conclusion that you can defend yourself against a 3000 lb vehicle coming up behind you with a handgun while your out of breath, shaking, sweaty and firing at a moving target that by the time you get your gun has already killed you or left the area. Let us hope your incedent does not happen around any populated area were bystanders will be hurt. More possable is the injury that your weapon will inflict when you land on it in a crash (I assume it does not discharge). I am not anti gun BTW, just anti doing dumb stuff
First off, no one called anyone poor. I am not an expert on the gun laws in your country or anyone else's and I don't pretend to be. I love foreign people and their beautiful countries. Please don't make this into something that it isn't. Sincerely, I am not trying to take the high ground and say my country is better than anyone else's. I would be the first to admit to my country's own problems and short comings.synchronicity wrote:Perhaps you can explain to us poor foreign people who don't/can't/wouldn't carry guns the following doubt:
Who actually gives you the right to decide under what circumstances you should shoot Isn't this a hazy area at the best of times? How can you be certain you won't over-react if you've been enraged & your adrenaline is pumping? In that respect, police are trained professionals, the majority of citizens are not (in my opinion).
See, Americans can say "guns don't kill people, people do" as much as they want, but I'm pretty sure that the US homicide rate is higher than any other westernised country. Of course, correct me if I'm wrong.
I think you have to ask yourelves why America has so many incidences of mis-directed violence before you can look at a true solution.
The right to shoot that you describe is called "imminent threat", as in your life is in "imminent danger". At no other time do you have the right to shoot someone. If the threat goes away, then so does your right to defend yourself. I did not get a Handgun Carry Permit (HCP), until I felt I was mentally mature enough. When I was younger I was much more hot headed, like many young men are. I can't speak for everyone on this, I can only try to explain when I felt I was able to handle this responsibility. Police are trained professionals, but not all of them have good judgement or marksmanship skills. In fact, some officers practice very little. Some only fire their weapons once a year when they are required to qualify with them. Trust me. It has been argued that many citizens, especially Handgun Carry Permit Holders practice far more than this.
As far as homocide rates go, I agree that they are high in the United States, but if you look into it, the overwhelming majority (almost all) of murders aren't committed by people legally carrying firearms. These criminals may have obtained their weapon legally or stolen it, either way I doubt any of them would go through the trouble to obtain a permit to carry the handgun legally. Why would they do that? When the laws here were changed to make it easier for law abiding citizens to get a Handgun Carry Permit, the anti-gun crowd started with their usual scare tactics that our cities would be like the wild west and blood would flow in the streets. That has not happened. The parts of the country that have the strictest gun laws like New York, Chicago, California, Washington, DC have the highest crime and murder rates in the nation. Disarming honest people is not a solution. Criminals like easy targets, if anyone doesn't believe me, then why don't you stick a sign in your front yard that says "This Is A Gun Free Home". Your house will probably be the first one broken into. It is important to keep weapons away from criminals and mentally unstable people, the best that we can. It will never be perfect, but we can do better. Unfortunately, in the past many of us feel that the laws that were passed dealing with this issue only affected honest, law-abiding people, while criminals still do whatever they want to. So anything that is done, needs to target the correct group.
It really does not have anything to do with cycling spirit. It is about taking care of yourself, because more than likely no one else is going to or be around to. Crime knows no boundaries and can occur anywhere and at anytime. I don't consider the United States unsafe. In fact, I feel very safe most everywhere I go. You may find it weird or odd that I carry a gun while riding my bike, hell, many people here in America do too, but I don't find it odd at all. I grew up around guns and they are a part of my life. I read of crime against defenseless civilians in other parts of the world ALL of them time. So i find it hard to believe that the rest of the world is such a better place. I'm sure our views are different, but as far as I am concerned...a State in which the Police have all of the guns, is a Police State!Theros wrote:Great cycling spirit!
You are glad that you have to protect yourself with a gun when cycling? It's the other way around: the rest of the world should be glad that they don't need guns to protect themselves.
No friend, definitely not joking. I am also a weight weenie when it comes to guns that I carry on my person. I carry my gun everywhere that I am legally allowed to, not just on the bike. A heavy gun begins to weigh on you a bit after several hours, therefore the lighter they are, the more comfortable they are to carry. The trade off lies in the amount of firepower you can handle. A heavier gun manages recoil better, especially in larger calibers. .380 auto and 9mm are calibers that can be built fairly light and still be controllable. Remember, accuracy is key.fast700c wrote:Surely singletrack was joking?????
A gun in the back pocket isn't particularly WW either. What do they weigh? Are they dimpled? Maybe the bullets are.
Maybe us Aussies are to laid back, yeah some people annoy me, but a gun!!
One of my .380s only weighs 8.3 ounces. It has a checkered grip, which are sort of like dimples. Don't get the wrong idea, we don't just go around shooting at everybody that pisses us off.
America is a really big place, the vast majority of it is very safe. Many people here do not carry weapons. I am glad your country is very safe. Violent crime can occur anywhere. If you think I am a moron, then so be it. I have been called much worse.Mario Jr. wrote:I´m glad that I live in a place where it´s not neccesary to carry weapons to protect myself... (From eg. some morron with a handgun).
My scott currently weighs 13.5 pounds and with a wheel change could easily be 12.5 pounds. I don't know what your definition of weight weenie is, but that is weight weenie to me. I am quite passionate about it.Tapeworm wrote:No WW worth their salt would ever carry a gun - too heavy!
I mean, just ride a commuter and be done with it.
All of the pistols that I carry have frames made of polymer. Some do rather disappear in your pocket. Carrying a gun may not be for everybody, but it is something that I choose to do and I am glad that my country allows me to.ak47 wrote:Carbon Fibre Pistol - WW must have. Very light - made from reinforced carbon fibre composite, very small- easily fits your jersey pocket! You won't even notice you have a gun...
Be safe on the road - buy a gun!
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Singletrackmind wrote:First off, no one called anyone poor.
Ye gods man, there are other uses for the word poor apart from the financial aspect. 'us poor foreigners' would be saying, in a humble sense, please educate us because we don't have the contextual understanding to perceive and understand your gun talk, due to a legal reigeme that is much tougher on gun control than the good old gun toting US of A.
My poor attempt of trying to clear things up
This board would be a nicer place if everyone would take themselves less seriously.
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