Alpe D'Huez times from the '08 Tour?

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SPIRITS wrote:
I guess there are actually riders in the TdF peloton that do not dope.

With luck and tremendous will, they finish around 50th....


Quite a while back people on this forum wracked their brains to think of the highest finish by a clean rider, and we settled on 17th place.

That was before this year of course - the top 5 this year were all riding clean from what I have been able to find out.

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Sprinter wrote:That was before this year of course - the top 5 this year were all riding clean from what I have been able to find out.


It's hard for me to put any stock in any rider riding for Bjarne Riis (or Johan Bruyneel).

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Are we all forgetting that on this particular stage the riders climbed two HC mountains before hitting the Alpe? The total stage time was just over 6 hours, AND this stage came after another mountain stage. They were probably pretty damn tired...

But if they were, they sure didn't look it. Lets not turn this into another conversation about who doped and who didn't!


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drjones96 wrote:
Sprinter wrote:That was before this year of course - the top 5 this year were all riding clean from what I have been able to find out.


It's hard for me to put any stock in any rider riding for Bjarne Riis (or Johan Bruyneel).


I'm with you on Bruyneel. But I was pleased to hear of Sastre's nickname in Spain - Don Limpio or Mr Clean. A damning indictment of cycling in that country that just one rider should have that nickname, but of the top 5 finishers he was the only one I had concerns about.

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That top ten list reads like a who's who of doping 8)

It's not about who's doping, it's about who's caught.

As far as comparing someone like Armstrong to a Merckx? Not even fair to either rider if they were both clean or both doped. Proper nutrition & training methods alone have gained so much ground between any of the riders listed that results would never produce an answer unless your just talking about the mind of the individuals. I'm not a huge Armstrong fan but he had the mental skills to intimidate & psych out opponents. I think a guy like Merckx sitting on the starting line probably didn't need those skills. His presence alone probably did the job.

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Hyde - Merckx was probably even more driven than Lance. The perfect example of this was the 1969 Tour of Flanders.

He'd not won before. The Flemish press started winding him up, saying that they thought he couldn't win. Merckx was an outsider being mainly a French speaker.

Merckx got wound up by this and said if the weather was right (awful), he would show them. The weather was snow, sleet, wind, rain. He also had a very strong team. Barry Hoban who finished 7th that day told me he put his team at the front with less than 70k's gone to form an echolon. By 100k's the race was over for most of them. Hoban got into the first echelon and they just rode away from the field.

With 70k's to go he just rode away from the break. There's a fantastic pic in the old International Sport Magazine of Merckx on a rise with the echelon able to do nothing to stop him.

He won by over 5 mins from Gimondi and 3rd placed Basso was at 8 minutes.

Merckx was 23!!!

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He was amazing, I am proud to ride a bike bearing his name. I'm just old enough to have not understood cycling at that time, unfortunate for me.

I did ride with Merckx a few months back, something I'll never forget. As great as anyone is, it's just tough too compare cyclists from different era's side by side. It makes for great conversation, just too many variables 8)

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drjones96 wrote:
Sprinter wrote:That was before this year of course - the top 5 this year were all riding clean from what I have been able to find out.


It's hard for me to put any stock in any rider riding for Bjarne Riis (or Johan Bruyneel).


That incident has only put more pressure on CSC's riders to be clean, as there's a lot of focus, media and anti-doping, on them. They've all checked in the clear.

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Hyde wrote:He was amazing, I am proud to ride a bike bearing his name. I'm just old enough to have not understood cycling at that time, unfortunate for me.

I did ride with Merckx a few months back, something I'll never forget. As great as anyone is, it's just tough too compare cyclists from different era's side by side. It makes for great conversation, just too many variables 8)


**** I was doing a Computrainer ride yesterday and watching the 2000 Tour for motivation, where Lance, Pantani, and Ullrich are all going at it, when on a mountain stage near the end a couple of guys in Kelme jerseys and full team kits jumped into the race, along with some guy who looked like Lance in the yellow jersey as well.. They were quickly escorted out of the race for the most part by the cops, etc.. but it was some kind of stunt by someone making a movie. Phil Ligget mentioned that it was rumoured that the director had offered non other than Eddy Merckx himself a lot of money to jump on a bike in an old team kit and try to finish with some of the favorites...

THAT would have been soooooo cool to see Eddy himself, in a Molteni jersey and kit, with a 70's Merckx era bicycle finishing up with Lance and others!!!! Just the sight of that guy (he was as big around as a beer keg back then in 2000, but you could still tell it was him....) would have definitely been talked about for years.....

What an amazing athlete.... The guy has over 500+ professional victories, 5 TDF, 5 Giro's, 3 World Pro titles.... Talk about a cool thing to see if he had agreed to it....

Okie... back to reality..

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He may have needed a motor assisted bike to keep up with those young whipper snappers. :wink:

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