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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 5:37 pm 
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http://velonews.competitor.com/not-all- ... feit-bikes

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The weights of the two framesets — frame, fork, headset, seatpost, and seatpost collar — were comparable. The SL4 weighed in at 1,460 grams, while the counterfeit weighed in at 1,570 grams.


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The genuine SL4 uses carbon cups integrated into the frame’s head tube, while the counterfeit uses alloy cups bonded into the frame.


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The results showed the counterfeit to be over 11 percent less stiff than the SL4.


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I believed they were using the same molds,” Parsons said of the counterfeit frame he purchased. “There is no scenario [where] I could recommend a knockoff frame to anyone. They’re terrifying. At minimum, it will result in a terrible crash.”


To me, this article is a no-brainer. If you're buying a counterfeit frame, you're buying it because it looks like something specific. What remain to be tested are the real open-mold frames, compared to some other known-good brand name bikes. But it is a stretch to go from "the frame is 11% less stiff" to "At a minimum, it will result in a terrible crash". That strikes me as just fear-mongering. I don't think anyone expects a true Specialized S-Works to come from alibaba, but I think it is reasonable these days to find some safe, well-engineered bikes out there.


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Maybe Specialized have noticed a drop in sales and needed another sponsored piece in velonews?


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PostPosted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 8:09 pm 
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Yeah, people aren't blowing up their fake frames right and left. Know lots of folks on Chinarello's that are happy enough. However, anyone wo thinks they're getting the same layup is a fool.

That said, I ride Chinese carbon, but open mold.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2015 12:03 am 
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That said, I ride Chinese carbon, but open mold.


I think the majority of people buying China do go down this route - at least they have a name to support. Or perhaps they were too afraid they might be good value for money.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2015 2:28 am 
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I don't dispute that they're decent value for the price, my concern was just that it was form over substance. Maybe fooling myself.


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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2015 6:26 am 
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The article is really bad journalism. Unfortunately, we will probably never see an unbiased test unless someone completely independent of the cycling industry conducts one.

Still, fake frame = bad.

I ride 2 open mould frames (road and CX) and I'm very happy. I've done almost 200 vertical kilometers (!) of descending on my FM-066, on carbon clinchers too.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 03, 2015 12:14 pm 
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I don't think anyone expects a true Specialized S-Works to come from alibaba, but I think it is reasonable these days to find some safe, well-engineered bikes out there.


Who cares? If you buy a fake you're still buying illegal goods from criminals, and stealing from the companies who invest in the R&D that moves the sport forwards.

Crashing on a counterfeit frame is karma for being an amoral cheapskate.


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While most people know that buying from Alibaba will get them a fake version that somewhat looks like the original, some people think otherwise. A guy I mountain bike with always tells me I need some Light Bicycle wheels like he has because LB, "used to make the Tarmacs and use the same mold as the Roval wheels." :roll:


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The article showed the fake frame had poor design and was less robust. That doesn't mean a typical rider would necessarily snap it. But it's been shown here some of the fakes have even used fiberglass, which would be even worse.

These are different than oem frames which are more legitimate.


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PostPosted: Sat Jul 04, 2015 2:55 pm 
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A manufacturer that decides to copy a design all the way down to the graphics, shows the intent of the manufacturer. Understanding that, do you really think that they would spend more money on building it right? I would expect the build would be focused on saving money.


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