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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 7:27 pm 
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it will be interesting to see how landa does.


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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 8:23 pm 
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IIRC, the UCI began in 1900, and the Tour 1903. So the TdF was always under UCI rules?
I doubt that.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 23, 2017 10:23 pm 
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UCI was originally a track cycling organisation only. The first road WC it organised was 1921, so surely wouldn't have been involved with any other road races until some time after that. Wikipedia mentions disqualification decisions in early TdFs being made by UVF, the contemporary French cycling union. And AFAIK the rulebook they followed in those early races was pretty much purely written by Henri Desgranges.


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 8:27 pm 
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I've just read David Lappartient speaking against race radios and corticosteroids use (even under TUE permission). his argumentation behind the latter is pretty standard, but regarding race radios he claims it's quite possible for on-line betting mafia to influence race results. and he plans to introduce the changes during the Innsbruck WC

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Potentially interesting dynamic emerging from Movistar. Quintana being pretty dismissive about Landa. Another area that maybe Froome could turn out to be better at as a grand tour leader. Could the Landa that drilled himself for Froome be replaced by the old Landa from Astana?

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 10:23 pm 
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Landa will be interesting, with 1 fewer rider in each team you can’t afford to have 2 leaders heading into the GT’s next year. I doubt we’ll see Landa and Quintana ride together all season

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 25, 2017 11:38 pm 
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I've just read David Lappartient speaking against race radios and corticosteroids use (even under TUE permission). his argumentation behind the latter is pretty standard, but regarding race radios he claims it's quite possible for on-line betting mafia to influence race results. and he plans to introduce the changes during the Innsbruck WC


Comes off weirdly paranoid.

About the corticosteroid stuff, why haven't we seen measurable evidence of performance enhancing benefits given the allowed dosages to put this thing to bed? You would think this would be a pretty simple and cost effective thing for WADA or the UCI or whoever to do. So far the only thing that comes up are comments from ex-dopers like David Miller claiming it's "powerful" (despite the fact that he used an unknown amount in conjunction with EPO and other things at the same time) and some off-hand comments from medical professionals that can't agree on whether endurance athletes would benefit or not. The weight loss "benefit" also comes up but riders don't exactly struggle with gaining weight in competition when they're burning 8,000 calories a day. Would maybe make sense in preparation of the event a few weeks before but the TUEs are taken just at the start or during competition.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 11:09 am 
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bilwit wrote:
tymon_tm wrote:
I've just read David Lappartient speaking against race radios and corticosteroids use (even under TUE permission). his argumentation behind the latter is pretty standard, but regarding race radios he claims it's quite possible for on-line betting mafia to influence race results. and he plans to introduce the changes during the Innsbruck WC


Comes off weirdly paranoid.


which part? radios? come one, like it was said in that flick, cycling is sport with medium stakes, and hundrets of dollars on the line :lol: :roll:

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About the corticosteroid stuff, why haven't we seen measurable evidence of performance enhancing benefits given the allowed dosages to put this thing to bed? You would think this would be a pretty simple and cost effective thing for WADA or the UCI or whoever to do. So far the only thing that comes up are comments from ex-dopers like David Miller claiming it's "powerful" (despite the fact that he used an unknown amount in conjunction with EPO and other things at the same time) and some off-hand comments from medical professionals that can't agree on whether endurance athletes would benefit or not. The weight loss "benefit" also comes up but riders don't exactly struggle with gaining weight in competition when they're burning 8,000 calories a day. Would maybe make sense in preparation of the event a few weeks before but the TUEs are taken just at the start or during competition.


IMHO it's just a PR move, in the same article he claims cycling is "at last" free of doping (both pharmacological and mechanical)... so there's that, to make the claim more sound he just adds another wish to the list and I bet lots of people are gonna buy it.

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PostPosted: Thu Oct 26, 2017 7:41 pm 
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Haven't they already clamped down on the TUEs?

I know Sky got all the heat on the TUEs but I imagine that many other riders benefited from them. I'd love to see a list.

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TUE's indeed been decreased by a lot the last few years. I just don't want to know what they all take outside of competition to prep themselves for a GT.


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Are there any figures or articles about pro cycling viewership and revenue across the past 5-10 seasons?

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yup, just google it up

https://www.google.pl/search?ei=WNbyWZO ... CT2PgpvAvk

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I'd be careful to take anything David Millar says or writes as pure fact. Not saying corticos aren't effective but he's on par with David Walsh for credibility these days.


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Sometimes I feel like Landa is the one who manufactures the "drama". Seems to follow him everywhere he goes.

He's going to be a GC leader for at least one GT a year. He's going to work for Quintana at the Tour. They both need to accept these things and move on.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/landa-i ... -quintana/


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Were you guys watching Ruddervoorde?! 4 seconds a lap. Yikes.


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