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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 9:42 am 
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Italian journalists and even ex Movistar Malori were criticizing the ITT route due to the climb beind too hard and the pure time trialist having already little chances during the year, but once in a while it's a good change and it created a good show with the fans along the route.

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Of course at the end of the day it's the riders who make the race hard or not, but with a route like that you either have or don't have the legs.

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one of those pure TT-ist who cried about the route in the media finally came 9th - due to losing time on the flats... :roll:

if cycling is to be entertaining, and in order to attract sponsors and fans it has to be, b*tching about one of the most (if not THE most) spectacular ITT is either shortsighted or plain stupid.

on the one hand some people would like to preserve some old traditions (wtf would that be, racing TT on a race circuit? 300km pan flat stages? removing those hills from MSR because they werent there a hundred years ago?) on the other they would love to get paid more and have some basic job security. looking on how numerous disciplines change, pro cycling sometimes looks as if taken straight from a stone age. and when someone tries something fresh, like smaller teams, shorter punchier stages, there's always a number of folks worried about tradition. do they worry about tradition when a team folds or no one shows up to cheer for the peloton?

one more thing: one of the arguments is specialization amongst the cyclist. well, flick me. do we design racing for the athletes, or maybe let them train for specific races? I don't give a single damn about how many sprinters have to be left home because nowadays GTs don't have like a half of stages being entirely flat. no one cares for that kind of racing anymore. on the other hand - the climbers - who cry about having to learn proper bike handling skills because the stage don't always ends up at the top. for god sake, go and play pro cycling in a museum, the sport changes, I'd argue it becomes more open thus more exciting. are there really people out there who miss 'the old days', day long racing without tv broadcast, pointless hours spent on the bikes only to race up the final ascent?

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 11:37 am 
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It's good to spice things up and flat non-technical courses are just plain boring. Wouldn't want to see Düsseldorf happen again, but something to keep it interesting.
I really liked RIO, imo it was a bit more balanced than Bergen, but then again, it's more than boring to see the same names over and over again, and similar courses again and again.

p.s Martin seems to have major difficulties to get power out with the new team. Is it about getting bike fitted or more about mental performance?


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Brian Cookson is gone as UCI president!

BEST NEWS EVER! :thumbup:


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maquisard wrote:
Brian Cookson is gone as UCI president!

BEST NEWS EVER! :thumbup:



Lets see how (in)effective Lappartient is, shall we?

System not figurehead thats the problem.

But you've never liked the BC/Sky thing have you? To paraphrase Basil Fawlty, " i think i may have mentioned it once, but think i got away with it"...

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 21, 2017 12:00 pm 
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The vote was 37-8, pretty much a landslide.

Cookson's problem was that he did nothing except for a few token gestures like cameras on bikes and disc brakes. The latter of which was managed extremely poorly. His major fail however was the lack of response to the increasing number of incidents involving riders and motos. Riders were dying and Cookson showed no leadership.


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Hamish finished 39th in the end, 3m33s down on Dumoulin.
That puts the UK TT scene in context... although Michael Hutchinson did beat Froome at the 2010 Commonweath games in Delhi. But that was before Froome underwent his 'change'.


In fairness to Hamish it turns out he flatted his front tyre on lap 1 so must have had a bike or wheel change.

Meanwhile, those times up the last climb:

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jekyll man wrote:
maquisard wrote:
Brian Cookson is gone as UCI president!

BEST NEWS EVER! :thumbup:



Lets see how (in)effective Lappartient is, shall we?

System not figurehead thats the problem.

But you've never liked the BC/Sky thing have you? To paraphrase Basil Fawlty, " i think i may have mentioned it once, but think i got away with it"...


Not sure if Lappartient would be better. Might as well be a lapdog from the ASO, and they already got more power then is good for them.
But Cookson wasn't good either. Don't know if it's the bureaucracy or the big amount of lobbys inside federations, but president's of sport federations seem to be destined to disappoint or fall for corruption.


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https://www.strava.com/segments/16032737

Hamish Bond: 496W for 10:56 :unbelievable:

Also, Gilbert's Strava nom de guerre ...


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Cookson was a good step up from Hein and his lap dog Pat. Good luck to Lappardient.

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micky wrote:
Italian journalists and even ex Movistar Malori were criticizing the ITT route due to the climb beind too hard and the pure time trialist having already little chances during the year, but once in a while it's a good change and it created a good show with the fans along the route.

And at the end of the day it'd be hard to argue that the best TTer in the world right now didn't win the stripes!


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Kind of weird now that Wiggins & Cancellara are gone and Martin's powers seemingly on the decline. Dumoulin, Roglic, Froome.. None of these guys stood a chance even three years ago.

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Dumoulin is 26, Roglic is 27 and Martin/Froome are 32. Three years ago, Dumoulin did pretty well.


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bilwit wrote:
Kind of weird now that Wiggins & Cancellara are gone and Martin's powers seemingly on the decline. Dumoulin, Roglic, Froome.. None of these guys stood a chance even three years ago.

Three years ago Roglic was in his second year as a Pro riding for a Continental team and Tom Dumoulin won bronze at the Worlds and beat Cancellara at the Eneco Tour ITT. Five years ago Chris Froome won bronze at the Olympic ITT.


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