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Did Kittel change his bike? Because I crossed the line with a rim brake bike.
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Doull's comment
https://www.twitter.com/owaindoull/stat ... 7150560256
Although fortunately for me the disk brake went through my shoe and not my leg. Disk cut straight through my shoe into my foot
https://www.twitter.com/owaindoull/stat ... 7150560256
Although fortunately for me the disk brake went through my shoe and not my leg. Disk cut straight through my shoe into my foot
And we're right back to playing the guessing game.
...1km to go he would have been in the big ring
...but the cut doesn't look ragged like a chainring cut should
...but he would have had to have been (gr?) right on top of Kittel for the disc to cut his left foot, that's so unlikely
...but in a crash the wheel and disc would have stopped, it doesn't have the inertial mass to keep spinning and cutting
etc etc.
...1km to go he would have been in the big ring
...but the cut doesn't look ragged like a chainring cut should
...but he would have had to have been (gr?) right on top of Kittel for the disc to cut his left foot, that's so unlikely
...but in a crash the wheel and disc would have stopped, it doesn't have the inertial mass to keep spinning and cutting
etc etc.
weightweenies Zakeen Adam Hansen comment about the disc crash
https://www.twitter.com/HansenAdam/stat ... 3654010881
https://www.twitter.com/HansenAdam/stat ... 3654010881
Attermann wrote:LeDuke wrote:I'm guessing a chainring.
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Wouldn't there be oil residue on a white shoe then?
Ventoso had no grease on his wound. And there weren't any disc brake bikes near him when that happened.
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Why is everyone so quick to think it's something other than what the injured rider, who was actually there, remembers about it. Granted it happened quickly for sure, but at this point I think the most reliable source of what happened might just be the guy it happened to, providing he wasn't knocked unconscious. Also, I hope that by now they've confiscated Kittel's bike to examine his rotors for any signs of shoe material and/or skin and blood. Who knows, but that would seem to me to be the appropriate thing to have done, if not right at the crash, then as soon as they had time to think about what just happened and the inevitable shitstorm that everyone knows will follow.
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Calnago wrote:Why is everyone so quick to think it's something other than what the injured rider, who was actually there, remembers about it. Granted it happened quickly for sure, but at this point I think the most reliable source of what happened might just be the guy it happened to, providing he wasn't knocked unconscious. Also, I hope that by now they've confiscated Kittel's bike to examine his rotors for any signs of shoe material and/or skin and blood. Who knows, but that would seem to me to be the appropriate thing to have done, if not right at the crash, then as soon as they had time to think about what just happened and the inevitable shitstorm that everyone knows will follow.
100% right
Calnago wrote:Why is everyone so quick to think it's something other than what the injured rider, who was actually there, remembers about it. Granted it happened quickly for sure, but at this point I think the most reliable source of what happened might just be the guy it happened to, providing he wasn't knocked unconscious. Also, I hope that by now they've confiscated Kittel's bike to examine his rotors for any signs of shoe material and/or skin and blood. Who knows, but that would seem to me to be the appropriate thing to have done, if not right at the crash, then as soon as they had time to think about what just happened and the inevitable shitstorm that everyone knows will follow.
Why?
Because the last time this happened, with Francisco Ventoso, the people who expressed skepticism were ridiculed and then ultimately vindicated.
Ventoso was ADAMANT that it was a disc brake, as were many other people. And then, it turns out that there was no one riding a disc brake bike anywhere near him when he went down.
Calnago wrote:Why is everyone so quick to think it's something other than what the injured rider, who was actually there, remembers about it. Granted it happened quickly for sure, but at this point I think the most reliable source of what happened might just be the guy it happened to, providing he wasn't knocked unconscious.
Because if you listen to Doull talking about it, he doesn't say that he knows the disc cut his shoe because he remembers it happening, he says he knows it was a disc because nothing else would have cut his shoe like that. So believe it or not, he's working off the same evidence that everyone else is, the fact that he was there and we weren't is basically irrelevant.
That said, I agree with him. I'd be amazed if anything but a disc rotor made a cut that clean.
(And I'm also sure that Ventoso was wrong. He convinced himself it was a disc therefore he remembered it being a disc. That's the problem with eyewitness memory - it's not as good as we think it is!)
I just love how people appoint themselves as oracles of cyclists' safety. many of pros apparently feel wrong about discs but we still need to be smarter than them. it's not about whether we find riding discs good or bad, it's whether they find them suitable for racing conditions - and that bit does include crashes.
kkibbler wrote: WW remembers.
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