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by calleking

Lots of people have stated that for one day races a non-doper could be a contender but over 3 weeks with blood bags involved. Not a chance. Froome riding faster up Madone than Lance doesn't mean anything. The way these guys rode during the third week of the Tour was much different than today. The media and fans loved it and made the sport grow. You never see that kind of racing today. Blood bags with high concentration of red blood cells being injected during 2nd rest day made a huge difference in performance and far from everyone was doing this.

Lance winning those 7 Tours and getting busted could only go one way. He was always going to be the one taking the blame even though that blame should be shared with a whole bunch of other people that are currently highly involved in cycling making a living out of it.
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JohnnyHanel wrote:i watched that interview too! i will never understand why he was the only one who suffered so greatly from all the doping. i get that they wanted to make an example & crack down.. but IMO they effect would of been stronger if they went after EVERYONE who doped. not just one man because he was an asshole to people around him & won too much. that just my opinion. it seems too weird that they didn't go after EVERYONE.

also, i didn't know about this until that lance interview but he mentioned how Froome & others are beating his times past TDF times. like come on.... are we really going to pretend they can NATURALLY beat / surpass his Lances doped results? haha. i'd like to hear what other people think about that


Bloody hell... it is amazing that even after all this has been done to death, people still have this view.

Yes, others got off somewhat lightly for sure.

But FFS ... do you think he got hammered because his name was Lance, because he was from Texas, because he used to be a triathlete? Maybe because he had brown hair?

No, it's because he (a) benefited far more than anyone else from cheating (b) endlessly bullied people and made a lot of enemies (c) used charitable work as air cover for his huge lie, whatever the genuine motivations alongside that.

For all that, he deserved to have a much more severe punishment

Froome and co have a lower vertical climb rate btw
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Froome and Co. aren't stuffed with that reinforced Helium as the others were. Despite better equipment and advancements in so called 'Sports Science' et cetera.

The LA era did bring about a number of revolutions (pardon the pun) in the sport. Those drivers are seldom, if at all, given credit to. Haven't people noticed how every TDH on the amateur scene is a miniature LA nowadays?

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Skylark wrote:Froome and Co. aren't stuffed with that reinforced Helium as the others were. Despite better equipment and advancements in so called 'Sports Science' et cetera.

The LA era did bring about a number of revolutions (pardon the pun) in the sport. Those drivers are seldom, if at all, given credit to. Haven't people noticed how every TDH on the amateur scene is a miniature LA nowadays?


reinforced WHAT?

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Skylark wrote:Froome and Co. aren't stuffed with that reinforced Helium as the others were. Despite better equipment and advancements in so called 'Sports Science' et cetera.

The LA era did bring about a number of revolutions (pardon the pun) in the sport. Those drivers are seldom, if at all, given credit to. Haven't people noticed how every TDH on the amateur scene is a miniature LA nowadays?


Drivers such as???

Evidence please as you just sound like Sky fan claiming that they invented altitude training, hand washing and taking bedding to races.

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Simple fact is this. Froome and Porte both went quicker than Lance up the Madone so did TD.
It not possible for them to go quicker without doping.
Go do your research. Times up climbs are still way to fast.
Nicole Cooke made this point when she retired.
Its like saying Radcliffe is clean yet she has run 3 minutes quicker than busted doped runners. Not possible, again go and do a search and you will see the many tests that have been done. The lowest margin of gain of a top athlete would be roughly around 15% but realistically a lot more[15% is a conservative estimate]. But even 15% would be a huge difference. It would be minutes on a climb. It just not possible for Froome etc to go quicker than a doped athlete.

Doping is still rife. EPO thickens the blood it gives you a great advantage. Micro dose and you will never be caught.
The bio passport is just not valid. its easily beaten with micro dosing as was shown in last years BBC documentary about Salazar.

Lance IMO did what every one else was doing. Postal were way behind other teams when it came to having a working efficient doping system. Some of the doping stories that came out of Postal make you realize just how bad at doping they were. Armstrong foundation was set up to do great work which it did. Armstrong has always been genuine about the regret he has that his doping impact had on Livestrong. To say it was used to cover up his doping is just ignorant. FACT a lot of people got great help frome Livestrong so it was only a good thing.
Lance was hung up like a witch. Do you think riding for Cipo or the badger etc would have been any better in behaviour terms and the way you were treated?
come on its a witch hunt and the effects have done nothing to stop doping. Riders are still getting busted and why do you think they dope? because just like when Lance was riding " you have to"


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I say let him do the small Tri's. He is still celebrity no matter how many people smash him like he beat them in a race. Him showing up a tri in Austin or Dallas will get a lot of media attention for the event and people registering just to meet him.

And for those who feel he wasn't a "target"...how can you possibly not look at the successful East German riders who were on the team with him and not know they had a rich deep history in those activities going back to the German sports institute when they were teenagers. Yes folks, some day Jensie will slip from media darling and come out and tell all from his program with the eastern block sports. If you weren't on the program there, you were working in a factory. You had no choices in most facets of your own life. Funny how both he and Ekimov were able to race well into their golden years competitively and both came from Soviet blocked countries.

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spookyload wrote:I say let him do the small Tri's. He is still celebrity no matter how many people smash him like he beat them in a race. Him showing up a tri in Austin or Dallas will get a lot of media attention for the event and people registering just to meet him.

And for those who feel he wasn't a "target"...how can you possibly not look at the successful East German riders who were on the team with him and not know they had a rich deep history in those activities going back to the German sports institute when they were teenagers. Yes folks, some day Jensie will slip from media darling and come out and tell all from his program with the eastern block sports. If you weren't on the program there, you were working in a factory. You had no choices in most facets of your own life. Funny how both he and Ekimov were able to race well into their golden years competitively and both came from Soviet blocked countries.


So what? He should have thought about that.

Lance is history and all you chamois sniffers need to move on and find another crush.

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Rodrego Hernandez wrote:
spookyload wrote:I say let him do the small Tri's. He is still celebrity no matter how many people smash him like he beat them in a race. Him showing up a tri in Austin or Dallas will get a lot of media attention for the event and people registering just to meet him.

And for those who feel he wasn't a "target"...how can you possibly not look at the successful East German riders who were on the team with him and not know they had a rich deep history in those activities going back to the German sports institute when they were teenagers. Yes folks, some day Jensie will slip from media darling and come out and tell all from his program with the eastern block sports. If you weren't on the program there, you were working in a factory. You had no choices in most facets of your own life. Funny how both he and Ekimov were able to race well into their golden years competitively and both came from Soviet blocked countries.


So what? He should have thought about that.

Lance is history and all you chamois sniffers need to move on and find another crush.



Lance is not history though. He's still around.
"He should have thought about that" That does not even make sense. When he doped along with everyone else do you think he really "thought about that"
99% don't care that he doped. Look at athletics its crumbling all around the world. Kenya runners , Russia etc.
A organisation led by Seb coe [ ex Nike sponsored] and Oregon gets the WC without even a sniff of debate ,Oregon =Salazar= Mo = Nike. its so easy join the dots of corruption.
If Froome or Contador got busted in this years tour , the majority of the public would just say "so what, they are all at it"
Sport is all about the Cash. Its big business. If it was about the "pure sport" than why are questions not being asked about Bolts trip to a certain Dr in Germany when he was 15. The same Dr who Radcliffe was seeing. Its a long way to go to see a Dr. Sport has to have a media face of integrity or the cash flow will stop. Look at the way heads of sporting organizations talk ,they have become spin dr's i.e. manipulate the truth or deflect the truth and steer everyone away from the truth, here's the truth check this out from 1min 18 sec ...a man speaking the truth :lol:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zoq1dtpw1gQ
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xena wrote:
Rodrego Hernandez wrote:
spookyload wrote:I say let him do the small Tri's. He is still celebrity no matter how many people smash him like he beat them in a race. Him showing up a tri in Austin or Dallas will get a lot of media attention for the event and people registering just to meet him.

And for those who feel he wasn't a "target"...how can you possibly not look at the successful East German riders who were on the team with him and not know they had a rich deep history in those activities going back to the German sports institute when they were teenagers. Yes folks, some day Jensie will slip from media darling and come out and tell all from his program with the eastern block sports. If you weren't on the program there, you were working in a factory. You had no choices in most facets of your own life. Funny how both he and Ekimov were able to race well into their golden years competitively and both came from Soviet blocked countries.


So what? He should have thought about that.

Lance is history and all you chamois sniffers need to move on and find another crush.



Lance is not history though. He's still around.
"He should have thought about that" That does not even make sense. When he doped along with everyone else do you think he really "thought about that"
99% don't care that he doped. Look at athletics its crumbling all around the world. Kenya runners , Russia etc.
A organisation led by Seb coe [ ex Nike sponsored] and Oregon gets the WC without even a sniff of debate ,Oregon =Salazar= Mo = Nike. its so easy join the dots of corruption.
If Froome or Contador got busted in this years tour , the majority of the public would just say "so what, they are all at it"
Sport is all about the Cash. Its big business. If it was about the "pure sport" than why are questions not being asked about Bolts trip to a certain Dr in Germany when he was 15. The same Dr who Radcliffe was seeing. Its a long way to go to see a Dr. Sport has to have a media face of integrity or the cash flow will stop. Look at the way heads of sporting organizations talk ,they have become spin dr's i.e. manipulate the truth or deflect the truth and steer everyone away from the truth, here's the truth check this out from 1min 18 sec ...a man speaking the truth :lol:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zoq1dtpw1gQ


Sorry dude but everyone else didn't dope.

Lance is only remaining semi-relavent due to fan boys repeating the same old tired lies that he was just 'levelling the playing field' and that 'everyone else was a doing it'. It can't be long until he says he only did it because an older boy made him and that he left his home work on the bus or his dog ate it.

Get over it. He's a cancer to sport and cycling is well rid of him and no other sport should bend the rules to make him welcome.

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Forget the initial hurdle of actually gaining entry to the events, there is the other matter of performing in them too. Not doubt most people (on this board no less) have no qualms with the first point but get totally fluffed at the second.

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Rodrego Hernandez wrote:
xena wrote:
Rodrego Hernandez wrote:
spookyload wrote:I say let him do the small Tri's. He is still celebrity no matter how many people smash him like he beat them in a race. Him showing up a tri in Austin or Dallas will get a lot of media attention for the event and people registering just to meet him.

And for those who feel he wasn't a "target"...how can you possibly not look at the successful East German riders who were on the team with him and not know they had a rich deep history in those activities going back to the German sports institute when they were teenagers. Yes folks, some day Jensie will slip from media darling and come out and tell all from his program with the eastern block sports. If you weren't on the program there, you were working in a factory. You had no choices in most facets of your own life. Funny how both he and Ekimov were able to race well into their golden years competitively and both came from Soviet blocked countries.


So what? He should have thought about that.

Lance is history and all you chamois sniffers need to move on and find another crush.



Lance is not history though. He's still around.
"He should have thought about that" That does not even make sense. When he doped along with everyone else do you think he really "thought about that"
99% don't care that he doped. Look at athletics its crumbling all around the world. Kenya runners , Russia etc.
A organisation led by Seb coe [ ex Nike sponsored] and Oregon gets the WC without even a sniff of debate ,Oregon =Salazar= Mo = Nike. its so easy join the dots of corruption.
If Froome or Contador got busted in this years tour , the majority of the public would just say "so what, they are all at it"
Sport is all about the Cash. Its big business. If it was about the "pure sport" than why are questions not being asked about Bolts trip to a certain Dr in Germany when he was 15. The same Dr who Radcliffe was seeing. Its a long way to go to see a Dr. Sport has to have a media face of integrity or the cash flow will stop. Look at the way heads of sporting organizations talk ,they have become spin dr's i.e. manipulate the truth or deflect the truth and steer everyone away from the truth, here's the truth check this out from 1min 18 sec ...a man speaking the truth :lol:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zoq1dtpw1gQ


Sorry dude but everyone else didn't dope.

Lance is only remaining semi-relavent due to fan boys repeating the same old tired lies that he was just 'levelling the playing field' and that 'everyone else was a doing it'. It can't be long until he says he only did it because an older boy made him and that he left his home work on the bus or his dog ate it.

Get over it. He's a cancer to sport and cycling is well rid of him and no other sport should bend the rules to make him welcome.


Ok then you please tell me who Lanced raced against that was clean. Know your history :smartass:
Everybody doped look at the link below. Lance was no worse than anyone else. Doping does not make you a tour winner It just lets you keep up with all the other dopers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_d ... in_cycling
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xena wrote:
Rodrego Hernandez wrote:
xena wrote:
Rodrego Hernandez wrote:
spookyload wrote:I say let him do the small Tri's. He is still celebrity no matter how many people smash him like he beat them in a race. Him showing up a tri in Austin or Dallas will get a lot of media attention for the event and people registering just to meet him.

And for those who feel he wasn't a "target"...how can you possibly not look at the successful East German riders who were on the team with him and not know they had a rich deep history in those activities going back to the German sports institute when they were teenagers. Yes folks, some day Jensie will slip from media darling and come out and tell all from his program with the eastern block sports. If you weren't on the program there, you were working in a factory. You had no choices in most facets of your own life. Funny how both he and Ekimov were able to race well into their golden years competitively and both came from Soviet blocked countries.


So what? He should have thought about that.

Lance is history and all you chamois sniffers need to move on and find another crush.



Lance is not history though. He's still around.
"He should have thought about that" That does not even make sense. When he doped along with everyone else do you think he really "thought about that"
99% don't care that he doped. Look at athletics its crumbling all around the world. Kenya runners , Russia etc.
A organisation led by Seb coe [ ex Nike sponsored] and Oregon gets the WC without even a sniff of debate ,Oregon =Salazar= Mo = Nike. its so easy join the dots of corruption.
If Froome or Contador got busted in this years tour , the majority of the public would just say "so what, they are all at it"
Sport is all about the Cash. Its big business. If it was about the "pure sport" than why are questions not being asked about Bolts trip to a certain Dr in Germany when he was 15. The same Dr who Radcliffe was seeing. Its a long way to go to see a Dr. Sport has to have a media face of integrity or the cash flow will stop. Look at the way heads of sporting organizations talk ,they have become spin dr's i.e. manipulate the truth or deflect the truth and steer everyone away from the truth, here's the truth check this out from 1min 18 sec ...a man speaking the truth :lol:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zoq1dtpw1gQ


Sorry dude but everyone else didn't dope.

Lance is only remaining semi-relavent due to fan boys repeating the same old tired lies that he was just 'levelling the playing field' and that 'everyone else was a doing it'. It can't be long until he says he only did it because an older boy made him and that he left his home work on the bus or his dog ate it.

Get over it. He's a cancer to sport and cycling is well rid of him and no other sport should bend the rules to make him welcome.


Ok then you please tell me who Lanced raced against that was clean. Know your history :smartass:
Everybody doped look at the link below. Lance was no worse than anyone else. Doping does not make you a tour winner It just lets you keep up with all the other dopers.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_d ... in_cycling


Giles Delion, Charly Mottet, Graham Obree, Chris Boardman, Chris Walker plus many, many more.

I raced against a charged up Motorola team and I wasn't doping so do your own research, if you are going to accuse an entire generation of riders of being cheats, at least have the evidence to back that up. Otherwise, GFY.

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Rodrego Hernandez posted

Giles Delion, Charly Mottet, Graham Obree, Chris Boardman, Chris Walker plus many, many more.

I raced against a charged up Motorola team and I wasn't doping so do your own research, if you are going to accuse an entire generation of riders of being cheats, at least have the evidence to back that up. Otherwise, GFY.[/quote]

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Oh dear . How do you know the riders above were not taking something ? You don't.
You raced against a " charged up Motorola team" what does that mean exactly. You got your a££ kicked?
None of the people you mentioned could touch Lances boots on a mountain stage. Look at all Lance's rivals, all doped/busted. That's a fact. Name one that wasn't? if your not sure check the wiki link I posted.
So who got cheated? Boardman? He would have won the tour if lance or jan or basso never doped :lol:
Get real
Also I do not salute your "GFY" I don't know you. Its just a chat on line. Don't get angry with me get angry with all those cyclists that doped , you know all the famous ones that got busted that I showed you in the wiki link. I don't care they dope, you do. That's your problem isn't it, not mine.
Just trying to educate you. You want to be the top of a sport you have to dope. Fact. Thousands of athletes busted in all sports not hundreds thousands. Do a wiki for athletics , soccer, American football. baseball etc the list of dopers is endless.
from the gold medals to the also ran's.
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JohnnyHanel wrote:i will never understand why he was the only one who suffered so greatly from all the doping.

Because he was the only one who continuously lied while pursuing legal action against anyone and everyone who spoke out about the possibility of his using performance enhancing drugs! How would you feel about letting him race again if your reputation, career, and finances had been decimated because you chose to speak out and ended up in the Armstrong legal team's cross hairs? That is exactly what happened to people like David Walsh, Franky and Betsy Andreu, Emma Orielly, Filippo Simeoni, and Greg Lemond, all of whom suffered direct professional and financial hardship because of Armstrong!

sawyer wrote:Bloody hell... it is amazing that even after all this has been done to death, people still have this view.

Letting Armstrong race again would be like letting Madoff resume managing his 'hedge fund' while serving a life sentence for defrauding lots of people out of their life savings! :roll:
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