2016 'PRO' cycling discussion.

Questions about bike hire abroad and everything light bike related. No off-topic chat please

Moderators: robbosmans, Moderator Team

xena
Banned
Posts: 1149
Joined: Tue Apr 15, 2014 9:49 pm

by xena

nd2rc wrote:
Bogan wrote:
Nefarious86 wrote:So what defines doping? Use of legal TUEs?


Some posters here still don't get one simple thing, the TUEs were legal under the rules. I will try some other words, allowed, permitted and a very short one "Ok".

I will say this again as well, the way the TUEs are being used is probably not ethically or morally kosher, but it is within the rules. Talk to the UCI. It needs to be tightened up.


Couldn't have been said better.

Xena, have you lodged a formal complaint with the UCI?


:lol: you cheeky monkeys :thumbup:
Xena a demi god among the digital demimonde that is WW community

http://i.imgur.com/hL5v3ai.jpg

https://www.flickr.com/photos/131970499@N02/

by Weenie


Visit starbike.com Online Retailer for HighEnd cycling components
Great Prices ✓    Broad Selection ✓    Worldwide Delivery ✓

www.starbike.com



xena
Banned
Posts: 1149
Joined: Tue Apr 15, 2014 9:49 pm

by xena

Walsh has seen the script for the BBC interview tomorrow morning . Looks like the BBC are going to give Wiggo a easy ride.
No surprise there then....
Xena a demi god among the digital demimonde that is WW community

http://i.imgur.com/hL5v3ai.jpg

https://www.flickr.com/photos/131970499@N02/

Nefarious86
Moderator
Posts: 3669
Joined: Sun May 25, 2014 4:57 am

by Nefarious86

No one is angry at you and Bogan makes a few good points, most of us just think you're a rambling narrow minded arsehole who single handedly ruined one of the best pro threads on the internet beating your chest non stop for the good of the people :)

I guess he and I are just bullies tho.

As you were.
Using Tapatalk

Attermann
Posts: 916
Joined: Sun Jan 05, 2014 11:04 pm
Location: Denmark

by Attermann

Dez33 wrote:
Attermann wrote:
Dez33 wrote:
Attermann wrote:http://ekstrabladet.dk/sport/cykling/kyllingen-undrer-sig-over-fuglsangs-laekkede-data/6310914

Fuglsangs TUE from the leak seems like a fake one,

It's in danish :)


There's two possible scenario's, either a fabrication by fancy bear, or an administrative stuff up by UCI/WADA. I would say the second is more likely.


http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/cancell ... ears-leak/

Seems more like fabrication :)


Cyclingnews just re-hashed the previously linked article.

Seems the TUE (confirmed) was from way back in 2008, looks like UCI/WADA are a shambles having the TUE on the wrong document.


Why would they have a TUE from 2008 on a document from the 2016 olympics?

User avatar
de zwarten
Posts: 896
Joined: Thu Dec 28, 2006 7:32 pm
Location: belgium

by de zwarten

I have questions when team Sky doesn't want to join MPCC because "they follow the rules and ride clean". But now I have the answer, and some here think that is OK. I would say that is all still OK in some people's books, especially judges and lawyers. But not OK for neutral audience.

The TUE were legal, but that doesn't make it necessarily ok.

Wiggins used intravenous anti-asthma medicines. For serious asthma patients, this is like one of the last straws...
And the medicine works for weeks. It's a medicine so he shouldn't compete following the MPCC because for taking such a medicine, you have to be very ill. But wait... maybe he took it because he wasn't that ill at all, and the medicine would instead lift him from 'as good as the competition' to 'better than the competition'

Coincidentally, he takes it before the races that matters the most.

Dumoulin said yesterday in an interview that he thinks 'the Wiggins case stinks'. I agree with Dumoulin.

Rondje
Posts: 1373
Joined: Mon Jun 23, 2014 8:46 pm
Location: Netherlands

by Rondje

de zwarten wrote:Dumoulin said yesterday in an interview that he thinks 'the Wiggins case stinks'. I agree with Dumoulin.


I love Tom for his way of speaking his mind, but it might come back and bite him in the ass some day. Bashing the Wiggings case (let's hope that means Sky ins't interested anymore :lol: ) and also Bashing on UCI by calling them bigger crooks then Qatar. Sometimes you need to balance things as a sporter because there might come a day where he needs the UCI.

For people interested in the interview: http://www.limburger.nl/cnt/dmf20160923 ... lijmscherp It is in Dutch so you might need Google Translate to read it.

Bogan
Posts: 301
Joined: Tue Feb 11, 2014 11:47 pm
Location: Boganville, Australia

by Bogan

Nefarious86 wrote:No one is angry at you and Bogan makes a few good points, most of us just think you're a rambling narrow minded arsehole who single handedly ruined one of the best pro threads on the internet beating your chest non stop for the good of the people :)

I guess he and I are just bullies tho.

As you were.


Succinctly put. Or can I quote "I salute you. Spot on". We are very just very naughty little bullies. :lol:
MAMIL? Never. O.F.I.L. yeh! (Old F**ker in Lycra)

Dez33
Posts: 407
Joined: Thu Jun 25, 2015 9:02 am

by Dez33

Attermann wrote:
Dez33 wrote:
Attermann wrote:
Dez33 wrote:
Attermann wrote:http://ekstrabladet.dk/sport/cykling/kyllingen-undrer-sig-over-fuglsangs-laekkede-data/6310914

Fuglsangs TUE from the leak seems like a fake one,

It's in danish :)


There's two possible scenario's, either a fabrication by fancy bear, or an administrative stuff up by UCI/WADA. I would say the second is more likely.


http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/cancell ... ears-leak/

Seems more like fabrication :)


Cyclingnews just re-hashed the previously linked article.

Seems the TUE (confirmed) was from way back in 2008, looks like UCI/WADA are a shambles having the TUE on the wrong document.


Why would they have a TUE from 2008 on a document from the 2016 olympics?


Because their organisation is a joke? Really, there is no reason, otherwise the document wouldn't exist in that form, it would have been corrected. Or do you think fancy bear managed to fake a document for exactly the same substance that the rider used one time only? What are the chances of that?

Like I said, far more likely was an administrative error from the UCI/WADA. They have the wrong document in their system and it got hacked along with all the other documents.

xena
Banned
Posts: 1149
Joined: Tue Apr 15, 2014 9:49 pm

by xena

Nefarious86 wrote:No one is angry at you and Bogan makes a few good points, most of us just think you're a rambling narrow minded arsehole who single handedly ruined one of the best pro threads on the internet beating your chest non stop for the good of the people :)

I guess he and I are just bullies tho.

As you were.


Mr Melty your back :lol:

I don't single out one person and accuse them of talking only about one thing. when infact I post on a lot of topics and have started many threads but that's just FACTS " I mean you can prove anything with facts ":lol:

"Most of us" You speak for what percentage? have you got a actual figure ,proof , Data? what about a graph :lol:
I see more posts/posters supporting my view than you and your mate bogan "its not science " :lol:

When I point out to you and your mate that other posters bring up the exact same topic [ yet you don't attack "bully them"] you cannot respond to that point because its a fact.

You seem to say the same thing again and again about how I ruined this thread yet I see countless posts/posters on here talking about the current situation with Sky and you and your mate even post on the topic , do you see your how you are the biggest hypocrites on this site, if you do clap once "you know how to clap right" :lol:

You and Bogan don't make any points , he doesn't even know the effects of drugs he gives to his son :lol:

You have not responded to any points , all you do his " its speculation " when infact its FACT and then come up with stupid counter arguments that make you look like idiots.

Then when you realise you cannot respond to points /opinions being made [ not just by me but other posters as well] You then target me with your childish name calling posts because that's they only way you can respond after being totally destroyed by " Xena" with logic.

You have filled this Thread up time and time again with insults aimed at me .

Its quite clear for all to see that its you who are ruining this thread in this digital demimonde

Its water off a ducks back to me it really is . I mean if you want to insult me then take it over to the PM's but last time you did that you had a meltdown.

Anyway you want to go is cool with " xena"

Carry on "LUV" :lol:
Last edited by xena on Sun Sep 25, 2016 11:19 am, edited 1 time in total.
Xena a demi god among the digital demimonde that is WW community

http://i.imgur.com/hL5v3ai.jpg

https://www.flickr.com/photos/131970499@N02/

Nefarious86
Moderator
Posts: 3669
Joined: Sun May 25, 2014 4:57 am

by Nefarious86

Destroyed, please, your illogical rambling brings colour and happiness to my day. As for melt downs you're the one spamming peoples inboxes with your doggard beleifs, your interpretation of my responses to you are rather off base, I mean I dont even remember dropping the C bomb :D

You harp on with the same content dressed in different skirts with nothing that many others consider to be actual proof of doping, TUEs dont count ;)

More to tho point what do you hope to achieve by flooding this board with your incessant posting? Haven't the thread lockings been an indication that it's borderline? Or have you been banned everywhere else?
Using Tapatalk

xena
Banned
Posts: 1149
Joined: Tue Apr 15, 2014 9:49 pm

by xena

Nefarious86 wrote:Destroyed, please, your illogical rambling brings colour and happiness to my day. As for melt downs you're the one spamming peoples inboxes with your doggard beleifs, your interpretation of my responses to you are rather off base, I mean I dont even remember dropping the C bomb :D

You harp on with the same content dressed in different skirts with nothing that many others consider to be actual proof of doping, TUEs dont count ;)

More to tho point what do you hope to achieve by flooding this board with your incessant posting? Haven't the thread lockings been an indication that it's borderline? Or have you been banned everywhere else?


Point proved :lol:
Xena a demi god among the digital demimonde that is WW community

http://i.imgur.com/hL5v3ai.jpg

https://www.flickr.com/photos/131970499@N02/

Nefarious86
Moderator
Posts: 3669
Joined: Sun May 25, 2014 4:57 am

by Nefarious86

What pont is that? The one where you just PMd me saying you would sodomise Bogan and I should we all somehow wind up in prison? Because I'm the one melting down...
Using Tapatalk

xena
Banned
Posts: 1149
Joined: Tue Apr 15, 2014 9:49 pm

by xena

Nefarious86 wrote:What pont is that? The one where you just PMd me saying you would sodomise Bogan and I should we all somehow wind up in prison? Because I'm the one melting down...


point proved again :lol: tick tock tick tock.
Last edited by xena on Sun Sep 25, 2016 11:24 am, edited 1 time in total.
Xena a demi god among the digital demimonde that is WW community

http://i.imgur.com/hL5v3ai.jpg

https://www.flickr.com/photos/131970499@N02/

Norregard
Posts: 211
Joined: Sat May 17, 2014 7:40 am

by Norregard

I can't for the life of me fathom why someone hasn't banned xena yet. This is beyond ridiculous.

xena
Banned
Posts: 1149
Joined: Tue Apr 15, 2014 9:49 pm

by xena

Rondje wrote:
de zwarten wrote:Dumoulin said yesterday in an interview that he thinks 'the Wiggins case stinks'. I agree with Dumoulin.


I love Tom for his way of speaking his mind, but it might come back and bite him in the ass some day. Bashing the Wiggings case (let's hope that means Sky ins't interested anymore :lol: ) and also Bashing on UCI by calling them bigger crooks then Qatar. Sometimes you need to balance things as a sporter because there might come a day where he needs the UCI.

For people interested in the interview: http://www.limburger.nl/cnt/dmf20160923 ... lijmscherp It is in Dutch so you might need Google Translate to read it.


Great post. I do think though that Cookson is weak and in denial
Xena a demi god among the digital demimonde that is WW community

http://i.imgur.com/hL5v3ai.jpg

https://www.flickr.com/photos/131970499@N02/

by Weenie


Visit starbike.com Online Retailer for HighEnd cycling components
Great Prices ✓    Broad Selection ✓    Worldwide Delivery ✓

www.starbike.com



Locked