2016 'PRO' cycling discussion.

[lippythelion]

http://www.greenedgecycling.com/news/statement-regarding-simon-yates-adverse-analytical-finding.phps

Does that mean the team doctor failed to apply for a TUE on the day he gave Yates the drug or that he didn't apply for the TUE prior to the race? Can't Hein & Brian just issue a retrospective emergency TUE?

[Dez33]

http://www.greenedgecycling.com/news/statement-regarding-simon-yates-adverse-analytical-finding.phps

Does that mean the team doctor failed to apply for a TUE on the day he gave Yates the drug or that he didn't apply for the TUE prior to the race? Can't Hein & Brian just issue a retrospective emergency TUE?

Would have to have been applied for prior to the race not on the day as it requires various tests to be done to make sure the rider is eligible to use it.

So that's a no to the second question

Amazing how many riders have asthma but don't want to use the non-performance enhancing medication lol

[ultimobici]

I think Emma Pooley is even a bigger tool. Questioning Brailsford on his knighthood? I'm no Sky fan but that is just ridiculous accusation. BC is killing itself from within.

Try reading the article first. She didn't question the knighthood.

[Rondje]

Amazing how many riders have asthma but don't want to use the non-performance enhancing medication lol

+1 Always got the feeling that 75% of the cyclists have "asthma"
If you need a TUE you aren't healthy enough to race and shouldn't be alliyd to race in my opinion.

[gravity]

Try reading the article first. She didn't question the knighthood.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/pooley- ... questions/

"I think the issue is much bigger than him," the 2008 Olympic Games time trial silver medalist said of Sutton's resignation. "If you're going to ask questions of Shane Sutton you have to ask them of Dave Brailsford too. I wish more questions had been asked of him before he was awarded his knighthood and moved to Sky. It was when he was running British Cycling that there was no women's Team Sky," the Guardian has reported.

It sounds like she questions the knighthood to me.

[KB]

Appears to me a bit of muddled thinking from Pooley. She goes on about why no pro female team. The answer to that was the funding for the GB team was the government. Sky is a private organisation that can sponsor whatever it likes, and obviously came to the conclusion it wasn't worth the outlay.

So, questioning Brailsford's a bit rich considering what he achieved with the GB setup. And yes, I think she's questioning Brailsford's knighthood. Why otherwise mention it?

[kkibbler]

Sounds to me like she's using his knighthood as a chronological point of reference, BC/AD kind of thing.

[micky]

Back to non-doping news, it seems Venezuela didn't pay their part and thus a new jersey from Giro on.

[Kjetil]

^Asthma is also common in biathlon and cross country skiing.
It always pisses me off when I read comments that asthmatics should not compete. They use those medicines to function, like any other asthmatic.
Sorry for railing the discussion back to TUEs. Lets leave it at this side track.

Pippo's design effort didn't last long in the peloton. A pity. Sharp looking kit it was. But wasn't that Southeast, not Venezuela?

[Haydn]

I wonder if asthma diagnoses are more common amongst athletes in professional/competitive endurance sports than in the general population.

[kkibbler]

I wonder if asthma diagnoses are more common amongst athletes in professional/competitive endurance sports than in the general population.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17316378
The conclusion of this study says there's no statistically significant difference in prevalence.

http://aacijournal.biomedcentral.com/ar ... -1492-6-31
The conclusion of this study says yes but this might be due to closer monitoring and treatment of those athletes.

[ave]

Maybe there is so many with asthma in the pro peloton because they use these (performance enhancing) asthma drugs and thus perform better than their healthy mates, and thus get the pro contracts instead of them.

Froome use them too, isn't he? http://s.libertaddigital.com/fotos/noti ... 100614.jpg
It does not look good. He says he can't breath without the stuff, what about the others he drops on the climbs?? They are sure out of breath too!

[Dez33]

I wonder if asthma diagnoses are more common amongst athletes in professional/competitive endurance sports than in the general population.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17316378
The conclusion of this study says there's no statistically significant difference in prevalence.

http://aacijournal.biomedcentral.com/ar ... -1492-6-31
The conclusion of this study says yes but this might be due to closer monitoring and treatment of those athletes.

OR this one http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/9819287

CONCLUSIONS:
Asthma appeared to have been more prevalent in athletes who participated in the 1996 Summer Games than in the general population or in those who participated in the 1984 Summer Games. This study also suggests that asthma may influence the sport that an athlete chooses.

i.e. Frequency of active asthma varied from 45% of cyclists and emountain bikers to none of the divers and weight lifters (re bolded part above)

Also, seen elsewhere 70% of GB swimmers on asthma medication and 1/3 or Sky riders.

[Kjetil]

^There is no evidence that asthma drugs are performance enhancing when used by non-asthmatics.

[tymon_tm]

asthma has been debated on WW through and through, so let me sum it up for you:

a) yes asthma is as common amongst endurance athletes as... as it can be frankly. data reveal over 50% of cyclists have it, in case of cross skiers it's closer to 60-70%. there was a situation with Justyna Kowalczyk (Polish cross country skier) when she was at her prime, she was furious saying the remaining 9 out of top 10 are asthmatic, and she can't compete with them like against 'normal' athletes, because the treatment they receive gives them the edge she lacks - basically accusing them (and the 'whole gang', esp the Norwegian camp) of doping. later, after the storm passed, she decided to become asthmatic herself.

b) (esp. if you're asthmatic or someone close to you is) no, asthma drugs don't give you no advantage over healthy athletes, because you're handicapped in the first place. those drugs hardly level the chances. and the specifics of a given disciplines (like cross country skiing, cycling) are more likely to cause asthma in the first place. besides, some studies suggest even 1 out of 6 or 7 people in highly developed countries has or is likely to have asthma developed (it's closely linked with allergies, which are often caused by overusing cleaning products, excessive hygiene - yup there is something like that - or highly processed food) so the increased incidence of asthma in pro sport might be due to athletes receiving better and more thorough medical examinations