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I don't understand how/why people are allowed TUEs for these medications.
We're allowing riders and doctors to circumvent the natural "conditions" they've been dealt.
Guys from high altitude generally have higher HCT than people from sea level. Why can't I take some blood booster to make up for my blood's inability to carry as much oxygen as the guys who have lived at 2800m their entire lives?
We're allowing riders and doctors to circumvent the natural "conditions" they've been dealt.
Guys from high altitude generally have higher HCT than people from sea level. Why can't I take some blood booster to make up for my blood's inability to carry as much oxygen as the guys who have lived at 2800m their entire lives?
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well apparently you can't tell a fat kid that he's fat anymore, you need to treat him like others, if he's willing to e.g. dance in a ballet or do whatever stuff not suitable for fat people. you can't say no because you're a fascist, racist, and generally all kinds of bad person
the implications of treating everyone equally can be really serious, we've all probably heard about Breivik. how does it connect with sport? easily - allowing people with serious health condition to compete against healthy athletes, of course aiding them with drugs.
the implications of treating everyone equally can be really serious, we've all probably heard about Breivik. how does it connect with sport? easily - allowing people with serious health condition to compete against healthy athletes, of course aiding them with drugs.
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Kjetil wrote:^There is no evidence that asthma drugs are performance enhancing when used by non-asthmatics.
That's opinion of every Swedish and Norwegian ski team fan
If that would be true, why that medicine can't be used without tests, perscription and federation approval ?
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Because it's medicine.
It is of course tempting to remind you as a Fin that EPO is medicine too.
It is of course tempting to remind you as a Fin that EPO is medicine too.
iirc there is also the issue that one of the common asthma medications has been/can be used to mask something somewhat more illegal.stormur wrote:If that would be true, why that medicine can't be used without tests, perscription and federation approval ?
There is also something I've seen that suggests injecting in large quantities can have some performance enhancing effects, but if you were to inhale that sort of dose you'd be unable to walk in a straight line. So they have a TUE available for one (?), and a dose threshold for the other.
Yep.
In my opinion there is something deeper re: asthma meds. If there wasnt we sure would see a lot more inhalers being puffed during a race. Not just Froome getting caught trying to hide it.
I had my first asthma attack during a training ride after I had been racing for over 6 years. I had moved to another state and a tree pollen was most likely the trigger. It was freaky enough to visit a Dr. Something I RARELY do. A couple of meds and a TUE and I was gtg. I rarely ever used it once the initial prescription ran out. BUT, I realized how important a rescue inhaler can be when traveling to a place that will have different environments. Not to mention the horrid air quality we all breath these days. In a lot of cases that is enough to create asthma like conditions in an endurance athlete.
However, why dont I see all these sufferers needing a rescue now and then? Maybe because it is a masking agent or used as injections?
In my opinion there is something deeper re: asthma meds. If there wasnt we sure would see a lot more inhalers being puffed during a race. Not just Froome getting caught trying to hide it.
I had my first asthma attack during a training ride after I had been racing for over 6 years. I had moved to another state and a tree pollen was most likely the trigger. It was freaky enough to visit a Dr. Something I RARELY do. A couple of meds and a TUE and I was gtg. I rarely ever used it once the initial prescription ran out. BUT, I realized how important a rescue inhaler can be when traveling to a place that will have different environments. Not to mention the horrid air quality we all breath these days. In a lot of cases that is enough to create asthma like conditions in an endurance athlete.
However, why dont I see all these sufferers needing a rescue now and then? Maybe because it is a masking agent or used as injections?
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I have had the exact same thing happen ^^^
It also happened after I was 25 years old, never before. I've only used an inhaler before a race once, the other times it was related to overall breathing capacity not riding, however, the medication stays in your system long enough to where you need a TUE just in case. Its not ideal to have to take anything due to environmental variables, but this is a case where abuse is likely to get minimal if any gains for something that is extremely easy to detect (and in amounts that show irregular use). Its not that the riders all suddenly have asthma, its that they are in a breathing-heavy sport in tons of different environments with different pollutants and pollens, which can trigger a pretty scary event.
It also happened after I was 25 years old, never before. I've only used an inhaler before a race once, the other times it was related to overall breathing capacity not riding, however, the medication stays in your system long enough to where you need a TUE just in case. Its not ideal to have to take anything due to environmental variables, but this is a case where abuse is likely to get minimal if any gains for something that is extremely easy to detect (and in amounts that show irregular use). Its not that the riders all suddenly have asthma, its that they are in a breathing-heavy sport in tons of different environments with different pollutants and pollens, which can trigger a pretty scary event.
Well, well, well... A few hours after Cyclingnews publishes an article speaking about Thomas Voecklers future hinging on his Tour de France success, he goes on the attack and wins the stage and the overall at Tour of Yorkshire.
The weather may often be grim in Great Britain, but the crowds do not cease to impress me. Great win for Voeckler, and awesome crowds again!
The weather may often be grim in Great Britain, but the crowds do not cease to impress me. Great win for Voeckler, and awesome crowds again!
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Going to miss him when he eventually retires, he's a treat to watch in a race.
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I have asthma, and I take a hit of albulterol (sp?) AFTER I ride. Never needed it during or before, but asthma is different for everyone from what I've been told.
I'm surprised no one has posted the video from the RedHook Crit yesterday... Talk about a race moto causing an issue.
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Why does that race need a moto?
In a time where long bibs are trendy, Voeckler keeps it pervy with his half length shorts.
In a time where long bibs are trendy, Voeckler keeps it pervy with his half length shorts.
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Sacke wrote:Well, well, well... A few hours after Cyclingnews publishes an article speaking about Thomas Voecklers future hinging on his Tour de France success, he goes on the attack and wins the stage and the overall at Tour of Yorkshire.
The weather may often be grim in Great Britain, but the crowds do not cease to impress me. Great win for Voeckler, and awesome crowds again!
We watched today's stage at the roadside in two different spots, the speed they were moving across the NY moors with the cross tailwind was unreal! Amazing ride from TV after initially being caught out by the decisive split
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