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xena
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by xena on Mon Jul 27, 2015 8:39 pm
petepeterson wrote:Get pissy and/or hug it out via PM/email?
If you thought this tour was boring I have to question how long you have been a cycling fan for. That was an awesome 3 weeks of racing and I am not a huge fan of the Tour. Froome could have easily lost it on the penultimate day if he cracked and if Movistar hadn't botched it in the crosswinds the GC battle would have been down to seconds. My only complaint is having to listen to Phil & Paul's senile, dumbed down commentary with 'jensie' on the Canadian broadcast.
I agree , it was a fantastic tour ,last week was very exciting , lots of attacks.
The last 4km up Alp d' Huez were super....
I enjoy Phil and Pauls chit chat ...Jens kept saying how the break would get caught ,everyday.
That's seemed to be the only thing Phil would ask him.
Lets hope next years can match this one.
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djm
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by djm on Mon Jul 27, 2015 9:06 pm
petromyzon wrote:Saying EBH was on "domestique donkey duty" with Sky is a bit much - he won two tour stages with them and would have benefitted from their first class support structure, coaching, etc. I am sure we'll see more of him, form comes and goes.
It was a bit harsh of me, but those victories were permitted because they lost Wiggo. EBH surely benefited from his contracts at Sky, he was extremely solidly paid as well.
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by djm on Mon Jul 27, 2015 9:10 pm
djcharlou wrote:Yes this guy !
Where's the police ??
Apparently the sheets he were wearing read something T̶h̶e̶ ̶J̶e̶w̶s̶"̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶r̶e̶ ̶w̶a̶s̶ ̶a̶ ̶c̶r̶e̶s̶c̶e̶n̶t̶ ̶a̶n̶d̶ ̶s̶o̶m̶e̶ ̶o̶t̶h̶e̶r̶ ̶s̶i̶g̶n̶ ̶o̶n̶ ̶t̶h̶e̶r̶e̶. Pure luck it wasn't one with worse intentions, could've gotten ugly. I was thinking about the cancelled Rund um den Finanzplatz Eschborn-Frankfurt this year, due to a foiled islamist terror plot..
Edit: Police are saying something about a mentally sick person in a fragile state and with a personality disorder.
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KWalker
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by KWalker on Mon Jul 27, 2015 9:22 pm
petepeterson wrote:Get pissy and/or hug it out via PM/email?
If you thought this tour was boring I have to question how long you have been a cycling fan for. That was an awesome 3 weeks of racing and I am not a huge fan of the Tour. Froome could have easily lost it on the penultimate day if he cracked and if Movistar hadn't botched it in the crosswinds the GC battle would have been down to seconds. My only complaint is having to listen to Phil & Paul's senile, dumbed down commentary with 'jensie' on the Canadian broadcast.
^^^^This
From Martin's win on a borrowed bike on the cobbled stage to Cummings pulling a Leroy Jenkins on the Frenchies there were more stages that ended in an unpredictable way and/or breakaway than a lot of years in recent memory. Even the GC battle was actually interesting on the last two mountain stages and while people can dislike Froome all they want the result was from him doing everything right from the first day and having the team necessary to support that. Quintana and Movistar lacked the tactics and prowess to put him where he needed to be a few times and that was enough to lose the Tour.
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by tymon_tm on Mon Jul 27, 2015 9:31 pm
djm wrote:djcharlou wrote:Yes this guy !
Where's the police ??
Apparently the sheets he were wearing read something "The Jews" and there was a crescent and some other sign on there. Pure luck it wasn't one with worse intentions, could've gotten ugly. I was thinking about the cancelled Rund um den Finanzplatz Eschborn-Frankfurt this year, due to a foiled islamist terror plot..
that looks scary. and a day after this, and that car incident, a bunch of fanatic muslim girls beat the shit out of some girl sunbathing in her swimsuit. France clearly isn't coping well with it's issues, and I fear those kind of incidents may one day happen during a cycling race. if police can't stop a maniac in Place de la Concorde, a vast square isolated from fans, it shows their security methods are outdated at best.
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by wingguy on Mon Jul 27, 2015 11:29 pm
tymon_tm wrote:5DII wrote:What time difference between the 2nd place guy and the yellow jersey is it considered ok to attack the yellow jersey in stage 21?
given the time was neutralized when they hit Paris, there's not much you can do about time gaps.. apart from attacking at the very beginning when the leader's celebrating and drinking champagne at the back
Don't they do that in an extended neutralized zone anyway?
Anyway let's face it, romantic thoughts aside the reason it's traditional not to attack the leader in Paris comes from the cold racing logic that it's pointless to try. They're going to force a GC contender and several teammates into a breakaway and then hold off the combined forces of the other GC teams and all the sprinters? Nah. The only way it'd work is if the Maillot Jaune had a mechanical and they kept pushing - then they'd be the team who won the tour by attacking the leader in Paris when his bike broke. It might just be the one thing that could make a rider less popular than Lance!
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by tymon_tm on Mon Jul 27, 2015 11:55 pm
honestly this parade is pretty dull, I get cyclists need to let go, celebrate and fool around (at least some of them) but from TV perspective it's pointless. take this year, rain, cold, riders having no intentions to ride at all, pottering around and still having to complete full 10 or 11 laps on slippery roads of Paris. not to mention the timing - race ended about 8 pm, many fans went home, many viewers switched to news or some tv shows (sunday evening prime time, hello!). IMHO ASO could work a bit on that, try to introduce at least some rivalry, or at least don't neutralize the time. it would be almost impossible to gain 1 minute in Paris, but if the difference between leader and runner up would've been closer to 20-30 seconds, then who knows.
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by g_doraz on Tue Jul 28, 2015 1:19 am
^^
I've always wanted to see a final day TT around Paris, with the hope of having a finish as close as 1989. I can't remember the last time I watched the final stage of the tour....
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by jeffy on Tue Jul 28, 2015 2:17 am
http://www.tv2.no/2015/07/27/sport/7195105Ryktene er sanne. Jeg kjenner Mark, og ryktene er sanne. Vi har blitt kontaktet av m anageren hans, og det gir god mening. Hvor kan han gå? Kanskje BMC, kanskje Trek, men jeg tror ikke Mark bare vil være på et nytt lag. Jeg tror han vil være mer involvert i sitt neste lag. Han ser på vårt lag som et som er på vei oppover, forteller Smith energisk på lagbussen før starten på den siste etappen.
The rumours are true. I know Mark, and the rumours are true. We have been contacted by his manager, and it makes good sense. Where will Cavendish go? Maybe BMC, maybe Trek, but I don't think Mark just wants to be on a new team. I think he wants to be more involved in his next team. He sees our team as a team on the way up, Smith tells.
– Jeg sa til Cavendish og co.: «om du vil til vårt lag, så ta med en sponsor». Og det er jo fullt mulig. Vi har ikke råd til ham akkurat nå, men vi har selvsagt lyst på ham. Han ville vært en flott tilvekst til laget. Triumfer er triumfer, og det ville gitt oss mer eksponering. Så han ville vært perfekt for oss.
I told Cavendish and co. "if you want to come to our team, bring a sponsor". And it's completly possible. We can't afford him at the moment, but we obviously want him. He would be a great addition to our team. Triumphs are triumphs, and Cav signing would give us more exposure. So to sign him would be perfect for us.
– Men vi må se på hvordan det passer inn med rytterne vi har og hvordan det passer for Edvald. Jeg henter ham ikke om det ødelegger for enkelte av rytterne, men vi har muligheten til å hente Cavendish til laget, sier han, og utdyper:
But we have to see how he fits in with the other riders we have at the moment and how it fits for Edvald(Boasson Hagen). I won't sign him if it ruins for some riders, but we have the possibility to sign Cavendish to our team, he says, and expands:
– Det må passe bra for folk som Edvald. Men jeg tror uansett ikke at Mark og Edvald ville hatt et lignende rittprogram. Edvald er mer av en klassikerrytter. Han kunne ha ledet ut Mark, men vi vil nok uansett gi han et opptrekk som passer Mark og gi Edvald sjansen på andre etapper i stedet.
It has to fit well for people like Edvald. But I think Mark and Edvald would have different calendars. Edvald is more of a classic rider. He could lead out Mark, but we would anyways give Mark a lead out train that suits him and give Edvald chances on different stages instead.
– Edvalds rolle på laget vil forhåpentligvis bli større og større. Han har vært hos Sky i fem år og er på et nytt lag. Han holder fortsatt på å bli kjent med lagkameratene sine. Jeg vil snakke med Edvald og høre hvilke ryttere som vil passe ham. Han vil være en av de jeg snakker med før vi henter nye ryttere, forteller Smith.
Edvalds role in the team will hopefully get bigger and bigger. He was at Sky for 5 years and is now on a new team. He is still getting to know his teammates. I will talk to Edvald and hear with him what type of ryders would fit with him. He would be someone I will talk to before we sign new riders.
– Jeg liker Mark. Jeg har kjent ham lenge og bodd på Isle of Man i 11 år. Han fikk sine første karbonhjul fra meg da jeg var proff, og jeg liker ham som person. Han er en snill fyr, men jeg synes også at Edvald er super. Jeg har for alvor blitt kjent med Edvald de siste to årene, og han er en flott fyr.
I like Mark. I've known him for a long time and I lived on Isle of Man for 11 years. He got his first carbon tiers from me when I was a pro, and I like him as a person. He is a nice lad, but I also think Edvald is great. I have got to know Edvald seriously the last two years, and he is a great guy
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by martinko on Tue Jul 28, 2015 5:27 am
To the topic which riders made the TdF fun for others, I will add that Sagan made it fun to watch in stages when he was in breakaways, and finishing with minimal gaps to the climbers. He didn't win any stage, yet he finished 11 times in top 5 out of 21 stages. And clearly, considering him a sprinter or a classics rider, not all of those stages had flat profile. And then, that descent to Gap, or swapping the green jersey with Greipel few times (I knew that Greipel's solo breakaway in some classic wasn't without a purpose), etc.
Yes, I also agree that Giro and Vuelta have more fireworks, but the broadcast of TdF is clearly of the best quality (stage coverage, signal quality) out of these 3 races. Motorbikes loosing broadcast signal several times on important climbs in Giro makes me not to watch it sometimes.
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by russianbear on Tue Jul 28, 2015 7:36 am
Wish more stages had the motorbike along side the finishing straight side camera view. I understand it's not logistically possible in a lot of places, but would be lovely to see it exploited more.
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by HillRPete on Tue Jul 28, 2015 9:25 am
+1 martinko. Big respect to Sagan for fighting so hard day after day. The final climb to Gap was painful to watch with nobody collaborating and Plaza pulling out time. But he gave everything and won lots of sympathies and also headlines.
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by KB on Tue Jul 28, 2015 9:31 am
martinko wrote: ... Yes, I also agree that Giro and Vuelta have more fireworks, but the broadcast of TdF is clearly of the best quality (stage coverage, signal quality) out of these 3 races. Motorbikes loosing broadcast signal several times on important climbs in Giro makes me not to watch it sometimes.
Agree. The TdF camera coverage is a cut above the others. One example, which I particularly like, is the
'arriere du peloton' when the riders get shelled out on the climbs. You quickly realise that the heat's on at the front of the race.
The Tour routes have improved. They needed to and learned from the Giro. For years the 1st week was a succession of sprint stages interspersed by a TTT and then the TT as a prelude for the mountains. Thankfully they've mixed it up more, and having a mountain top finish on the final Saturday is a great idea. I hope they don't go back to having two long TT's because it penalises the climbers. I thought 2012 was awful to watch as due to the TT's it allowed Wiggins to follow the other riders rather than make an individual effort on the climbs.
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xena
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by xena on Tue Jul 28, 2015 9:38 am
This sums up Movies performance for me
If movistar hadn't set a high pace on LPSM quintana hadn't lost so much time and if absolutely everything had gone differently on the alp stage quintana would have won the tour. Yep thats possible but that doesn't forgive that they chased contador on the first alp stage. That doesn't forgive that Movistar built a train up Pra Loup instead of attacking froome there. That doesn't forgive that they made nothing out of there great situation on the "la Toussuire" stage. That doesn't forgive that quintana attacked so late in "La Toussuire". That doesn't forgive that quintana pulled froome to the finish in Mende (although I am almost the only one who complains about that). That doesn't forgive that quintana didnt even try to attack froome on the glandon although he needed so much time. That doesn't forgive that they didnt try something on the cautarets stage too. That doesn't forgive that they didnt try to get someone into the early break on penultimate stage
they blew it