2015 'PRO' cycling discussion
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So in your opinion, who should we see as the "good guy" and the "honest trier" at this pro tour level? - being absolutely serious!
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lippythelion
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^I'll nominate Amador as the honest trier.
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nathanong87
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Tour's gonna be a lot different - many teams didn't quite target Giro, it looks like they sent whoever was left or needed some extra training before july. it's not because Giro's a 'worse' race, it's different - less stages for sprinters and helluva lot pure climbing, only for a handful of riders who can battle it out - IMHO Giro's harder that way. the difference in roster strenght and in perception of team's interests was pretty obvious on those two occasions when a stage long breaks got clear and won - because no one had the will nore the strenght to chase them down. in the Tour you often see 3-4 teams sending their guys in moments like that to bring the escape back. besides, the fight for the green itself is a lot more intense, with a bunch of world class sprinters and classic riders trying to score points. who's wearing the points jersey at Giro? what color it is..? yup..
kkibbler wrote: WW remembers.
Aru looks like his puppy just died. What a waste of energy.
on a side note:
“I think we’ve got better and safer bikes than the BMC bikes Ochowicz’s team uses," Corti told Cyclingnews
zing. must be some known issues with BMC bikes. if not then that was one random put down.
on a side note:
“I think we’ve got better and safer bikes than the BMC bikes Ochowicz’s team uses," Corti told Cyclingnews
zing. must be some known issues with BMC bikes. if not then that was one random put down.
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btompkins0112 wrote:
It has the H2 geo......one step racier than a hybrid bike
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It has the H2 geo......one step racier than a hybrid bike
Giro stage 16:
Maybe the Pioneer got wet. Here's data I took from DCRainmaker where he did the same ride with two Edge 1000's and a Pioneer. The Pioneer rounds to the nearest meter so gives a "staircase" profile. The two Edge 1000's nominally have better resolution but don't even agree. Indeed when you calculate total climbing using my 5 meter cut-off algorithm the two differ substantially. I set the altitude at the ride starts to zero to eliminate offsets (the Pioneer recorded negative altitudes for the whole ride):
The Pioneer is blue, the Edge 1000's are red and green:
Here's climbing calculated using the Avocet 50 algorithm with its 10 meter cut-off, which I took from Jobst Brandt's patent, fixing what I'm pretty sure was a typo in the flowchart. "Meters" is the final altitude, relative to the starting altitude. 1 and 2 are Edge 1000's, 3 is the Pioneer:
Maybe the Pioneer got wet. Here's data I took from DCRainmaker where he did the same ride with two Edge 1000's and a Pioneer. The Pioneer rounds to the nearest meter so gives a "staircase" profile. The two Edge 1000's nominally have better resolution but don't even agree. Indeed when you calculate total climbing using my 5 meter cut-off algorithm the two differ substantially. I set the altitude at the ride starts to zero to eliminate offsets (the Pioneer recorded negative altitudes for the whole ride):
The Pioneer is blue, the Edge 1000's are red and green:
Here's climbing calculated using the Avocet 50 algorithm with its 10 meter cut-off, which I took from Jobst Brandt's patent, fixing what I'm pretty sure was a typo in the flowchart. "Meters" is the final altitude, relative to the starting altitude. 1 and 2 are Edge 1000's, 3 is the Pioneer:
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fn km meters climbing descending grade
1 38.3279 5.7 164.6 149.2 0.04
2 38.1268 5.48571 109.2 104.8 0.01
3 37.406 3.2 72.2 158.8 -0.23
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Samuel Sanchez Gonzalez
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^WTF!!!
Too bad Steven K did not publish Strava file for yesterday's stage, but we should mention that the power numbers are far from what we can see with the likes of Contador vs Froome battles.
1715m/h for Contador on Mortirolo that's around 5.5W/kg for 45 min... Basso in 2006 did 1820m/h on Bondone which is 7-8% that effort would equal to nearly 2000m/h climbing Mortirolo in 39 or 40 min / 5 min faster than Contador
As dirty as Landa looks, the other riders like Steven K are in front of the race because there is a very heterogenous level but it's not even Watt-worthy of top 10 or top 15 in past Tour de France
EDIT: should mention on the other hand that the approach to Mortirolo was very very fast under heavy rain and the riders must have reached the foot of Mortirolo with already 20 minutes at LT.. that could explain the relatively slow ascent
Too bad Steven K did not publish Strava file for yesterday's stage, but we should mention that the power numbers are far from what we can see with the likes of Contador vs Froome battles.
1715m/h for Contador on Mortirolo that's around 5.5W/kg for 45 min... Basso in 2006 did 1820m/h on Bondone which is 7-8% that effort would equal to nearly 2000m/h climbing Mortirolo in 39 or 40 min / 5 min faster than Contador
As dirty as Landa looks, the other riders like Steven K are in front of the race because there is a very heterogenous level but it's not even Watt-worthy of top 10 or top 15 in past Tour de France
EDIT: should mention on the other hand that the approach to Mortirolo was very very fast under heavy rain and the riders must have reached the foot of Mortirolo with already 20 minutes at LT.. that could explain the relatively slow ascent
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nathanong87
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3 weeks ? 
Don't forget the wheels Big Mig was riding back in the day:
If he was 80 kg but his bike was an extra 2 kg that's an extra 2.3%, approximately, or 1 minute per 40, recognizing the frame is less aero as well as the bike being heavier and so not bothering to assume wind resistance is insensitive to mass.
BMI Indurain: 22.6, Contador: 20.0
added No way many people here could do 5.5 W/kg for 45 minutes. That power is 14.5 minutes up Old La Honda, which very very few people have done... keep that up for 3 times as long? No way.
If he was 80 kg but his bike was an extra 2 kg that's an extra 2.3%, approximately, or 1 minute per 40, recognizing the frame is less aero as well as the bike being heavier and so not bothering to assume wind resistance is insensitive to mass.
BMI Indurain: 22.6, Contador: 20.0
added No way many people here could do 5.5 W/kg for 45 minutes. That power is 14.5 minutes up Old La Honda, which very very few people have done... keep that up for 3 times as long? No way.
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Indurain was clean? Hmmm.....
Despite Contador and Landa winning off the front, it looked like a lot of the stage was people riding at whatever their limit for the day was depending on their position coming into the climb. It didn't really look like 1 or 2 guys necessarily attacked away. Great stage.
Despite Contador and Landa winning off the front, it looked like a lot of the stage was people riding at whatever their limit for the day was depending on their position coming into the climb. It didn't really look like 1 or 2 guys necessarily attacked away. Great stage.
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