Warm drinks on the bike

[sanrensho]

Does anybody bring a warm drink with them during long winter rides?

I'm thinking an occasional hit of weak tea with honey would be nice in the winter. Looking for an insulated bottle or container that would fit a standard carbon cage. Something with a 300-500 ml capacity and not too tall (I ride an XS frame) or heavy. Not a Polar bottle, which I am not a fan of.

Thanks.

[Marin]

I usually fill the bottle with hot salted water these days. It's usually cold when I start drinking though...

[tymon_tm]

i tried riding with a thermos (hot honey tea, sometimes with a tad of rum ) one season, but i quickly found out my throat didn't appreciate the temperature difference. i'm far better off with cold drinks on cold days - apart from below 0C winter rides when i don't take any drinks at all.

[Barters]

I actually have this one but haven't used it in winter yet http://www.wiggle.co.uk/elite-iceberg-t ... ml-bottle/

On your suggestion will try some hot tea with lemon & honey next ride!

[sanrensho]

Hmm, I was thinking warm/lukewarm just for ease of sipping on the bike. Just something for a change from ice cold water/electrolyte drink.

The reviews on that Elite bottle don't look great...maybe I am looking for a thermos that fits a bottle cage.

I'd like to try warm lemon-honey-water as well.

[Frankie - B]

Use insulated bidons for this.

Warm water contains less oxigen and will freeze/cool faster because of that.

[efeballi]

Frankie, I don't see the relation in oxygen content and cooling/heating rate. Can you elaborate?

Teams handed out hot tea in standard bottles in 2013 Milan-Sanremo and Paris-Roubaix IIRC.


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[scott91]

I believe Frankie is referring to the Mpemba Effect.

[efeballi]

And that is?


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[Frankie - B]

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The thing with pro teams and bottles is; they throw them away after use/when dirty/when frozen etc as the team car has a shit load of bottles with sports drink, luke warm tea, champagne etc.

When i'm out riding in winter, and i use a normal bidon with warm water/sportsdrink that bottle will contain slush puppie in under 30 mins. A bottle with cold water will stay fluid much longer.


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[itsacarr]

+1 for hot tea - I don't use the honey just because I hate dealing with the mold I get from the sugar sometimes.

[efeballi]

Frankie , +1 on pro teams not bothered with keeping the bottles after one ride.

But as far as I can tell, Mpemba effect applies where the fluid is directly exposed to the outer surface, which is not entirely true in a bottle.

I'd say that the faster cooling of hot bottle wrt heating of a cold bottle is due to a larger heat difference. Hot tea at 50 C in cold air at 0 C will cool faster than ice cold water at 5 C in hot air at 30 C.
Cooling faster means it has a larger heat flux. The time it takes to reach ambient/normal temperatures is another game.


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[davidalone]

if you've ridden in the taiwanese mountains, where temps can go from 30 degrees C at the bottom to 8 degerreees at the top, you'll love hot team in your bidons when its cold.

[rmerka]

But as far as I can tell, Mpemba effect applies where the fluid is directly exposed to the outer surface, which is not entirely true in a bottle.

I believe that's why Frankie - B said:

Use insulated bidons for this.

[djm]

I use an insulated Camelbak Podium bottle for the really cold days and use water straight from the faucet, ie. not warm, but cold. I use blackberry syrup in the water, very tasty and I can get a nice mix of sugar/water. This mixture seems to freeze at a lower temperature than pure water, also one can add salt or a salt substitute, which could also provide some useful minerals and further lower the freezing point.