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 Post subject: Re: POC Octal Helmet
PostPosted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 11:55 pm 
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It's funny, but only around 10% of the posters to this forum really care about weight.

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 Post subject: Re: POC Octal Helmet
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I would like to hear if anyone has one of these yet and what they think about ventilation, I replaced an aging Catlike whisper with a Giro Aeon, and the Aeon doesn't ventilate as well as I would like (In South Texas, I ride in 90+ temps 6+ months out of the year, asphalt temps can be 110+)

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 6:09 am 
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 Post subject: Re: POC Octal Helmet
PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 7:55 am 
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In Aus I believe its written into the road rules that you must wear a helmet that meets AS/NZS 2063. If the helmet does not, I'm guessing are not covered by the TAC. I know if you race with a non AS/NZS 2063 approved helmet and crash you wil not be covered by race insurance. Only in full closed road situations is that rule not applied.


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Not sure if it is still the case but the difference between the testing for CPSC and the Euro standard was in the headform used for the test. The CPSC form is fixed while the Euro standard can move or deflect upon impact. Therefore the CPSC test is more difficult for a helmet to get a passing grade.


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Drop height is also different (2.0 vs 1.5 meters) on flat anvil, CEN actually higher on "curbstone" or "kerbstone" anvil... from Helmets.org (not a primary source):

CPSC: Not to exceed 300 g, On flat anvil, impact velocity of 6.2 m/s +/- 3 per cent typically requiring drop height of 2.0 m plus any height adjustment for friction losses. On hemispherical and curbstone anvils impact velocity of 4.8 m/s +/- 3 per cent typically requiring drop height of 1.2 m plus friction adjustment. Velocity measured in last 40 mm of free-fall.
Europe: No impact of the 20 required in the test series can exceed 250 g peak in 1.5 meter drop on flat or kerbstone anvil.

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 Post subject: Re: POC Octal Helmet
PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 8:25 pm 
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Thanks for mentioning race insurance. I hunted down the USAC policy on this (they don't make it easy to find) and we're supposed to use CSPC helmets for non UCI races: http://www.usacycling.org/policy-i-helmets.htm

No mention of insurance but knowing US insurance companies if you tried to make a claim against the USAC race insurance for a head injury while wearing a non CSPC helmet they'd use this to deny it. Some would try to deny it for a leg injury while wearing a non CSPC helmet.

I've never had my helmet checked at a race. The policy is dated dec 2013 so it may be new. And of course they may not check until the insurance company is facing a claim.


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 Post subject: Re: POC Octal Helmet
PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 8:50 pm 
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Non-acceptance of non-CSPC helmets in USA Cycling races goes back to at least 2010, if not earlier.

On March 25, 2014 in the "sister" thread POC road helmet, HammerTime2 wrote:
SpinnerTim wrote:
What the bike helmet industry needs is some kind of third-party group like the automotive Insurance Institute for Highway Safety or the Snell Foundation (motorcycle helmets).
Snell Memorial Foundation does have bicycle helmet standards http://www.smf.org/stds and maintains a listing of all helmets (not that many nowadays) that have met the Snell Standards at http://www.smf.org/cert. Some years back, it along with ANSI were the predominant bicycle helmet standards in the U.S. Snell used to be one of the accepted helmet standards for use in USA Cycling races (which all require use of helmet), but as of 2010 no longer is (see http://d3epuodzu3wuis.cloudfront.net/2001%20USCF%20Rulebook%20Modified.pdf p. 165). CPSC seems to rule the roost now in the U.S.


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 Post subject: Re: POC Octal Helmet
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CEN was added in 2006. The press release says CEN will be retained on Jan 1 2010, when other standards, like Snell, will be removed. I'm not sure what year they went to CPSC only. Maybe that was 2010. Certainly by August that was the case (event flyer)

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 Post subject: Re: POC Octal Helmet
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I got my CEN version in the mail: 194.5 grams, claimed 195 grams. So spot on target. Once I sweat in it it will gain a few grams, based on past experience.

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 Post subject: Re: POC Octal Helmet
PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2014 1:08 pm 
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Since the high visibility is one of the selling points of the helmet, it is disappointing that POC values some environmental PC BS over the safety of its customers. This pertains at least to the orange color.

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HammerTime2 wrote:
it is disappointing that POC values some environmental PC BS over the safety of its customers


You wouldn't call it 'environmental PC BS' if you lived downstream from a factory using that type of shite. I guess 'out of sight, out of mind'.


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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2014 11:11 pm 
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All fluo/neon helmets fade.

My yellow Giro Aeon is quite badly faded now after a year and a half of use.


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 Post subject: Re: POC Octal Helmet
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HammerTime2 wrote:
Since the high visibility is one of the selling points of the helmet, it is disappointing that POC values some environmental PC BS over the safety of its customers.


Jeses dude, lighten up! They've still got reflective patches on them and they're still colourful.

If you're that concerned about safety you could say far worse about any company which offers their helmets in black - which last time I checked was just about everyone. :roll:


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 Post subject: Re: POC Octal Helmet
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@djconnel - congrats on the new helmet. Which store did you go through to get it? How does it play with other sunglasses? I own Oakley Jawbones, and I have found some retention systems interfere with the stems.


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