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 Post subject: POC Octal Helmet
PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2014 6:52 pm 
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I'm wanting to buy a POC Octal helmet, but I want to get the CE(not CSPC version) which is lighter.

Anyone know of a website that sells the CE version that ships to the US?


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 Post subject: POC Octal Helmet
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 Post subject: Re: POC Octal Helmet
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Don't worry about the weight - get the version that's approved for your region. If you have an accident you might not be covered if your helmet doesn't meet the correct standards.

In Australia they check whether you're wearing an ANZ approved lid.


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 Post subject: Re: POC Octal Helmet
PostPosted: Thu May 29, 2014 11:31 am 
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From what I understand the POC Octal only comes in one version that meets European, US as well as Australian test standards. So anywhere you buy it, you'll get the same helmet.

I'm also in the market for a new helmet and I'm heavily considering this one. Or a Bell Gage. Too bad POC are all about visibility and won't release one in black. Guess I'll gotta go with white then. Also, the looks takes some getting used to, but if the Lion King already rode it, then it can't be that bad! :D

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 Post subject: Re: POC Octal Helmet
PostPosted: Thu May 29, 2014 11:35 am 
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Two versions
WEIGHT CE: 190 g (S), 195 g (M), 205 g (L)
WEIGHT CPSC: 230 g (S), 250 (M) 285 (G)
http://www.pocsports.com/en/product/1879/octal


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 Post subject: Re: POC Octal Helmet
PostPosted: Thu May 29, 2014 11:36 am 
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Guess, I'm on the lucky part of the world then :D

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 Post subject: Re: POC Octal Helmet
PostPosted: Thu May 29, 2014 12:21 pm 
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I did some investigating and found what I thought I read:
As important as passing government standards, and the Octal passes every standard – US, European, Australian – with the same helmet at less than 200grams, POC has given themselves a mandate to ensure riders don’t just survive an accident, they want quality of life to continue after.

To my knowledge, Peloton Magazine is an American magazine. And when I tried to order an Octal on POC's own website I found out that it isn't possible. So perhaps POC's US helmets are the same as their European ones after all.

Personally, I wouldn't think that it wouldn't be in the best interest of such a small player as POC to have to make 2 different versions, especially when they're trying to make their mark. This matter, to me, isn't conclusive.

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 Post subject: Re: POC Octal Helmet
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An extra 40g on your head? Jeepers, how will you cope?

I'll take the extra 40g of safety, thanks.


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 Post subject: Re: POC Octal Helmet
PostPosted: Thu May 29, 2014 7:59 pm 
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BikeTart wrote:
In Australia they check whether you're wearing an ANZ approved lid.


I'm curious: which "they"?


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 Post subject: Re: POC Octal Helmet
PostPosted: Thu May 29, 2014 10:46 pm 
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A friend has had his helmet checked by emergency services all 4 times he's been picked off of the black-top.


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 Post subject: Re: POC Octal Helmet
PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2014 2:17 am 
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Why do you assume the CPSC version with 40 grams more mass is safer?

What do you think the effect on safety would be by attaching extra mass to your present helmet?

I have no reason to believe the Euro version is any less safe than the US one, unless you fall on the direct top of your head.

And performance-wise, 40 grams on the head is at least as important as 40 grams anywhere on the bike. How much do people pay to save 40 grams off their fork, derailleur, frame, or crank?

And to answer the original question: none of the UK sites I've checked have it in stock yet.

BikeTart wrote:
An extra 40g on your head? Jeepers, how will you cope?

I'll take the extra 40g of safety, thanks.

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 Post subject: Re: POC Octal Helmet
PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2014 2:20 am 
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I assume the extra mass is needed because the CPSC standards are more stringent.

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 Post subject: Re: POC Octal Helmet
PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2014 5:26 am 
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Neither standard, prove that the helmet is safe. It only proves that it can pass the tests that were created in 1998. I only spent one hour looking but I couldn't find the science that the tests are based on.

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 Post subject: Re: POC Octal Helmet
PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2014 4:21 pm 
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Exactly. The US test has a vertical drop larger than the Euro test. That doesn't imply safer. Optimally, the helmet fully crushes for the impact experienced by your head. You wouldn't want a helmet designed for a 100 meter drop, because it would be so hard it wouldn't do anything for a 1 meter drop, and you won't survive the 100 meter drop anyway. Arguably, the Euro test comes closer to optimizing to real-world impacts than the CPSC test does.

But real world isn't a vertical drop anyway. It's twisting, bending, and impacts coming at random angles. For twisting and bending, the less mass on your head, the better. And for the other angles, I doubt the difference in the two tests is relevant. POC deserves credit for going beyond the test in their base design: worrying more about the back and side of the head than the competition, and about forming a smooth surface which won't be prone to twisting moments.

As to insurance: my health insurance doesn't require a helmet when cycling. If it did, it should additionally require one when driving, walking, or taking a shower. All have a similar or greater rate of head injury. Event insurance typically has a helmet requirement, and they differ on whether they accept the Euro standard. USA Cycling changed their rules, which is unfair to international riders. How many Euro racers do you think buy a CPSC helmet when they come to the US? Honestly I don't know if that would even be revealed in real life. If it looks like a helmet, it is reported as a helmet.

So I'm putting my money in the Euro version.

I just ordered one from SigmaSport.co.uk

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 Post subject: Re: POC Octal Helmet
PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2014 5:27 pm 
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I've never had my bicycle helmet's certification checked, either by race officials or by emergency services personnel.

I have had helmet certification checked for motorsports as part of tech inspection before racing. They usually want a current Snell helmet.

> forming a smooth surface which won't be prone to twisting moments.

A woman racer I knew back in the 80s (when we used foam helmets with fabric covers) crashed on the track and her helmet grabbed the surface, twisting her neck around so much that she couldn't breathe. People on the scene had to quickly decide if they should turn her head risking further spinal injury. Fortunately it was the correct decision.


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 Post subject: Re: POC Octal Helmet
PostPosted: Fri May 30, 2014 7:54 pm 
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@ djconnel

I think you and I are the only ones who care about this : ) we brought this up in your Octal thread : )

If you have the time can you do a review of the Octal after a few rides, and compare it to helmets you have used? At the end of the year I will have three years on my Giro Aeon, so I am starting to look at replacements.. I am thinking about the Octal, Aeon or going back to a new Pneumo. ( think the cooling on the Pneumo might be better than the Aeon, but it's close : )

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