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PostPosted: Sun Mar 09, 2014 9:07 pm 
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So today I noticed a rather nasty crack around my BB shell. I think it may have been there for some time undetected. I raced on it today with no issues (bar a few creaks) and have two races booked next weekend. I'm desperate not to miss them and won't be able to sort out a replacement frame in time. Am I safe to ride it? Also is something like this legitimately fixable, or is it just a case of bodging as a temporary measure?

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 09, 2014 11:16 pm 
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I had something very similar with my Cannondale Supersix. In all probability it had been there a while and was raced/ridden for quite a while before it properly broke (it was an eBay purchase so no chance of a refund). The carbon repair specialist I took it to had a good look and declared it unfixable. It is still sitting in my shed...

The most annoying thing was that the weekend before it properly broke I finished a close 2nd in a road race not realising I was riding a cracked frame...


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:25 am 
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It's a high stress area where the alloy BB insert bonds into the frame.

When it breaks, you'll probably experience a wobbly crank. So, I don't see a failure as life threatening but could be noticeable.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2014 12:45 am 
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I'm pretty ready to call it a day with this frame so have no issue running it into the ground while a replacement arrives (BMC is calling me...) As long as it lasts me until this then I don't mind too much; providing failure doesn't risk crank touching tarmac and testicles touching top tube...

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2014 1:19 am 
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I'm not an expert on this, and don't know if it would work....

Since the frame is destined for the scrap-bin, if you MUST ride it in the meantime... I'd try:

- Sand the CF all along the crack area
- Use a two-part epoxy, force the epoxy into the crack as best you can.

The sanding was to give the excess epoxy something to grab.

Work FAST with the epoxy. It heats as you mix it, the hotter it is, the easier it will be to flow it deeper into the crack.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2014 1:42 am 
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If you had to use epoxy, try putting the frame in a vacuum [inside the tubes] then apply the epoxy. It will for certain, suck into the crack. Still, I would not think it would last long. Check to find out though.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2014 2:55 am 
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I had a similar situation.

Buy this epoxy.

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Drill small holes at about 1/4" increments around the crack. just through the carbon - not the alloy sleeve.

Pump in the epoxy.

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Epoxy was the plan; I have a friend with GRP experience who's offered to patch it for me. Would it be wise to add some external fibreglass sheets too? I'm not bothered about how it looks, besides, battle scars are cool 8)

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The problem is on the inside. Adding material to the outside would do nothing but add 'battle scars'. Suck the epoxy on the inside and put the battle scar material on the outside and you will have exactly what you are looking for.

Start shopping for a frame too.


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2014 2:22 pm 
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By putting material on the outside would it not aid in preventing the crack from pulling out further?

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If you get enough epoxy on the inside, between the alloy insert and the carbon shell, all the way around, then some will bear against the uncracked inner side too, and help support the insert. It will be a lot more effective than a patch on the outside.

Regardless, it's toast.

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Oh, I meant do both! Use a GRP patch on the outside to help support the epoxy in the centre. Literally just want it to last the weekend. Am ordering a new frame today/tomorrow...

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2014 7:52 pm 
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if it fails in the race and you take down a load of people as result, you ain't gonna be popular. Why risk an injury to you or others?


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Yeah thats my view point as well.

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If you race like I do, it won't be a problem. It's lonely at the rear.


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