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PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 1:29 am 
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Hello fellow cyclists,

Several months ago, CalTrans decided to put up a chip seal road on Angeles Crest Highway. I'm not sure if any of you have encountered what this road feels like. The quality of the road has dramatically decreased, wearing down tires much faster and also creating a very hazardous and painful descent for people who frequently use this road. There have also been reports that segments of road leading up to Mount Baldy, a bit east of this road, were also paved using this chip-seal type of pavement and the cycling community in Los Angeles is generally very upset as the safety and recreational facility of the roads were not taken into consideration when CalTrans decided to make this switch.

I personally have almost experienced a very frightening descent when I discovered the sidewall of my tire was compromised on a very slow descent of this road. I'm not one for soliciting on forums, but I believe that this directly affects one of the most beautiful mountain roads in relation to anybody using two wheels (motorcyclists included). Imagine taking a fall on this kind of pavement and the subsequent road rash that would follow. I have supplied a link to change.org to sign a petition to revert back to the original pavement before the use of chip seal. Racking up the final signatures would definitely be helpful.

http://www.change.org/petitions/califor ... e_petition

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 1:47 am 
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Yeah, they did this up in the Bay Area too on Skyline Blvd (hwy 35).

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 2:14 am 
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I assume this is all about saving money for the state.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 2:41 am 
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Unfortunately some of the roads here in Washington State are going the same route. Luckily I am used to it from my time living in Central Australia, yes it eats up your tires and when initially finished it's pretty awful to ride on.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 2:50 am 
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I can confirm Mt Baldy was recently chip sealed all the way from Mt Baldy village to the ski lift car park. I rode it 19th September shortly after they had resurfaced it and had to stop continually to extract the stones that had stuck to my tyres and then wedged between the frame and tyre... :evil:

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 9:14 am 
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I ride on chip and seal roads daily. For the most part they work almost as good as a regular concrete or asphalt road after they have settled in. Then there are some that should be called boulder and seal. They seem to use paving rock verses gravel.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 5:08 pm 
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It's an epidemic in CO. To make things worse, they only do the lanes and leave the shoulders alone, so the shoulders are filled with pointy stones. They may as well just throw tacks on the road. Most of my favorite rides have been utterly destroyed with this crap over the past couple years.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 8:10 pm 
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Well done chip seal is ok to ride on once the cars sweep off the gravel and pack it down. It's commonly used in California on rural or less traveled roads.

What happened on highway 35 is that they used extra large gravel and lousy seal. The gravel is like 20mm diameter intead of less than 10mm. The ride is much rougher on a bike (or in a car or on a motorcycle) and the chips come loose, exposing patches of slick seal underneath. When it is wet it is particularly dangerous. I live not too far away and travel and ride it frequently.

Cyclists organizations on the peninsula have been working with the county supervisors to put pressure on CalTrans, who truly does not care about cyclists or motorcyclists. The last time they did a poor job of chip sealing highway 35, motorcyclists crashed as a result. It still took a couple years before they fixed it.


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PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 8:51 pm 
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I'm just hoping this gets changed before there are more serious injuries as a result of this seal. Just the other day we had a couple motorcyclists fall off into the ravine at the base of this mountain.

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PostPosted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 9:06 pm 
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Good news for the Nor Cali Folks though -
http://www.dot.ca.gov/dist05/projects/c ... /index.htm

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 1:06 pm 
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CerveloBert wrote:
I'm just hoping this gets changed before there are more serious injuries as a result of this seal. Just the other day we had a couple motorcyclists fall off into the ravine at the base of this mountain.


Really? Chip seal caused the the motorcyclist to fall of into a ravine? Common, do you think speed had anything to do with this? I have no clue what you are saying, but I can assure you an excessive speed over the speed limit was the biggest factor or they were impaired.

We in the USA are broke, get used to it. Chip seal is just another way to get us past this era. If you insist on having the best riding road, pave them yourself or better yet, start a campaign to tax cyclist so they can help pave the roads they so dearly have to ride on.

Don't get me wrong, I do not like it either, but I would never expect someone else to pay for my issues. Get over it, sure beats gravel and dirt [or bring something worthy to the table to whine about like pot holes].


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PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 5:10 pm 
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Butcher wrote:
We in the USA are broke, get used to it.


Really?

Problem isn't lack of money. It's where it's being spent. We build too many roads, too many lanes, for too many cars. Recently more than $70M was spent widening a section of the shoulder of Highway 101. This is enough to fund the regional commuter rail for 10 months.

Anyone visiting the area and seeing huge cars, huge houses, and 3rd-world transit would have to serious question the conclusion about what we can afford.

In any case, chip seal is common in Europe, in my experience. It can be done well, it just needs to be maintained more often.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 6:51 pm 
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Sounds like a politician. If I had no bills, I would not be broke. If I had more money, I would not be broke. It does not matter, WE ARE BROKE!

I love my bike, I do not mind paying taxes, and I am a car mechanic. I feel we citizens ask so much from out government it makes me sick. I wish all my taxes, that I pay for the tabs on my bike, to go for the roads. Since I pay none, it's hard for me to bitch about something I get for free.

If we all stop asking the government to take care of us, maybe there would be enough for decent roads.


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Wow.. Where is that popcorn emoticon??


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One of the key items determining how pleasant the chip seal is for bicyclists is the size of the aggregate. Bigger aggregate ---> not so nice. See http://bikesiliconvalley.org/2013/01/january-18-2013-letter-regarding-caltrans-use-of-chip-seal
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Wow.. Where is that popcorn emoticon??
Right here :popcorn:

:popcorn : (remove the space between the n and : ) will do the trick.


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