Pinarello Hate

[poppiholla]

ok...by the way; buying Rapha gear is a good thing

[euan]

This 4 page pinarello obsessive compulsive 'analysis' just proves how much successful this company is : )

So you're saying Talked About = Liked?? You're not by any chance Miley Ray Cirus, are you?

Thing is, as much as she is derided. She is also very very very popular.

[slyboots]

Who?

[Nejmann]

It's funny how you say that all pinarello owners are a**holes, in my city all the s-works owners are assholes I just ordered my first pinarello, and i don't think i'm an ass

[Leviathan]

1. fell off the wagon
When one resumes an addictive/compulsive behavior that they are trying to control. Originally referred only to drinking, but is now used in reference to all sorts of things including drugs, smoking, overeating, eating cerain foods, masturbation, casual sex, pornography...

Joe hadn't had a drink in 10 years, but when his wife of 30 years left him, he fell off the wagon.

It actually comes from the Temperance Movement in, im guessing, the 1820s who used to ride around high alcohol slums in wagons collecting drunks to take them to theatres, coffee houses and other non-alchoholic venues, falling off it implying you fell of it to head back to the bar...

[mellowJohnny]

It's like mean old ladies - age more than likely is not responsible for their meanness, they were probably always mean. Douchebags riding Dogmas were more than likely always douchebags. But I think this thread was started to discuss why, in general, we weight weenies show no love to the Pina, and not to discuss the broad generalizations about people who ride them.

Although, I was one making broad generalizations...

[ultyguy]

It's funny how you say that all pinarello owners are a**holes, in my city all the s-works owners are assholes I just ordered my first pinarello, and i don't think i'm an ass

First rule of assholedom: they don't actually think they are one

[kbbpll]

1. fell off the wagon
When one resumes an addictive/compulsive behavior that they are trying to control. Originally referred only to drinking, but is now used in reference to all sorts of things including drugs, smoking, overeating, eating cerain foods, masturbation, casual sex, pornography...

Joe hadn't had a drink in 10 years, but when his wife of 30 years left him, he fell off the wagon.

It actually comes from the Temperance Movement in, im guessing, the 1820s who used to ride around high alcohol slums in wagons collecting drunks to take them to theatres, coffee houses and other non-alchoholic venues, falling off it implying you fell of it to head back to the bar...

Originally it was "I'm on the water cart" or "on the water wagon", meaning you're drinking from the wagon that went around spraying the dirt roads, instead of drinking booze. It was shortened to "on the wagon", and so the opposite is "off the wagon", meaning you went back to drinking. It originates around 1900 in the US. Personally, I always thought it was because the Temperance women rode around town on wagons gathering support, and you would jump "on the wagon" to show your support. It's a quite common phrase in the US, and now "off the wagon" means returning to just about any vice.

Perhaps the phrase needs modernizing. I just had my third beer, so I'm off the Pinarello.

[Wingnut]

Perhaps the phrase needs modernizing. I just had my third beer, so I'm off the Pinarello.

[ultimobici]

Personally I don't care for the aesthetics of their bikes.

But the thing I find annoying is the marketing BS.
Asymmetry is not their innovation, Time did that almost a decade ago with the VXR & VXRS. The way they advertise the weight of the frame is simply deceitful.
The weight should include the bb insert & fittings such as dropouts, not to mention paint.
That they ride and handle well is not important to me. They've already lost me with the BS.

[poppiholla]

Pinarello isn't the only brand that is using marketing BS. Almost all the big brands are using BS marketing claims and are giving wrong frame weight info.
So imho the only real valid reason why people don't like Pinarello is because of the styling, frame shapes and weight. All the other arguments are probably false and most likely because they can't affort a Dogma.

[mrfish]

Agree, too much marketing BS from Pinarello. The only good reason to buy one is because you think it looks nice. Building the bikes in China / taiwan or wherever* was totally dumb from a branding point of view - the brand is no longer authentic. And once that myth is busted, the rest of the marketing begins to look rather hollow too.

The other problem is now that Chinarellos are now 99% functionally the same if not better than the real thing (crap warranty, OK ride *, similar weight, immediate delivery, any colour you like in 2 weeks, cheaper) If we overlook the ethics of buying a rip-off, it does suggest that Pinarello are not exactly investing heavily into manufacturing the bike you buy.

Personally I really like the look of Pinarellos and could buy one tomorrow. But I am tempted to get an unbranded Chinarello painted up in Rapha colours for laughs (with a prominent UCI approval and Made in Italy sticker). Not sure whether i will ride it ironically or not.

* But according to EU law since they are painted in Italy they can be labelled Made in Italy. Ha ha ha...
** Reportedly one or two of them had newspaper in the steerer, but then again find me a bike manufacturer whose products didn't fall to bits now and again.

[ScuderiaDouroux]

mrfish: if you truly think a Chinese immitation Pinarello is 99% functionally the same if not better than the real thing, I have a bridge to sell you...

Not heavily investing into manufacturing? Is that why they offer a monocoque frameset in more sizes than anyone else, each requiring its own expensive mold? Is that why they use a Toray fiber not available to anyone else at this point? Get real.

A Chinarello in Rapha colors to be ironic? I guess you want to look like a joke in addition to sounding like one in this thread.

[kgt]

+100

[poppiholla]

+100