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PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2016 5:00 pm 
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According to this article.. (that came out in November) it sounds like LA could compete in tri's THIS YEAR. Pretty crazy if it's true! I imagine he would be interested too, based on his Starva.

I tried to search if this was shared yet & couldn't find anything! So sorry if this has already been discussed! The article came out last November but i just caught wind of it.

What do you guys think?

http://www.slowtwitch.com/News/Armstron ... _5461.html


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2016 6:47 pm 
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"but only so long as the local sport event is not at a level that could otherwise qualify such Athlete or other Person directly or indirectly to compete in"
From my understanding this means his participation will be limited to local "low key" events (no Ironman 70.3 or Kona for him).
His life ban will be effectively still standing.

With an analogy, even lifers in prison get to walk around the courtyard once in a while, his life punishment and fall from grace is enough punishment, he has been made an example, not even letting him stretch his legs once in a while reflects bad on the rest of us. Do we need to be so vindictive? Controversial, but i say let's let him be a little, if nothing for his mental health and of those surrounding him.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2016 7:27 pm 
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tmr5555 wrote:
"but only so long as the local sport event is not at a level that could otherwise qualify such Athlete or other Person directly or indirectly to compete in"
From my understanding this means his participation will be limited to local "low key" events (no Ironman 70.3 or Kona for him).
His life ban will be effectively still standing.

With an analogy, even lifers in prison get to walk around the courtyard once in a while, his life punishment and fall from grace is enough punishment, he has been made an example, not even letting him stretch his legs once in a while reflects bad on the rest of us. Do we need to be so vindictive? Controversial, but i say let's let him be a little, if nothing for his mental health and of those surrounding him.



LOL love the analogy. & ya i agree with everything you said. Couldn't of said it better.


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PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2016 7:48 pm 
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Noone has stopped him running, swimming or cycling. His eligibility to compete is nowhere near the analogy of letting someone out of a cell and into the sunshine.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 01, 2016 8:43 pm 
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The reaction people give to what LA did reminds me of OTT PC people.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2016 12:21 am 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEfSdPz1WtA Armstrong chatting with Joe Rogan.

Armstrong was hung out to dry. Witch-hunt. Everyone was doping and some teams were doping much better.
Armstrong came to Europe and had to choose dope and race or go back home.
Of course he lied but so did everyone else. He took the popularity of the sport to a new level.
Look at the times now. You still think the sport is clean, Froome getting TUE for corticosteroid .


Despite suggestions that correct procedures had not been followed, Wada later declared itself satisfied and its code does allow for exceptional circumstances mid-race. However Chris Froome, despite being so ill as to make it important that he took the medication (40mg per day of the oral corticosteroid prednisolone) during the race, won it ahead of over 100 elite athletes.

"I don’t think it is at all right that Chris should have the race and prize money taken off him retrospectively but Cookson needs to issue a very clear message: he should be apologising to the rest of the riders for failing them. That TUE application should not have been approved; Froome and Sky should have had a clear choice of either riding without corticosteroids or pulling out of the race.

I never found I could be anywhere near the front of a long race when I was ill" Nicole cooke.

about corticosteroid use ,,,,,,

From what we know or suspect it seems to have effects on increasing airflow in the lung by opening the airways, it also has an effect on reducing pain at high intensity exercise. There seems to be an effect on the body’s metabolism below about 75% threshold which although not fully understood may help aid weigh loss while being able to continue training.

In short it possibly makes you a bit euphoric (elated or high) so you can train harder but also at lower intensity train longer while eating less and so lose weight.
At this point in time there is a feeling that while creams and inhaled cortisone probably has little effect on performance other than to treat underlying skin problems (like saddle sores) or asthma the use of tablets and injections has potential to give an unfair benefit (ie doping/cheating).

Its obvious its still going on and it has nothing to do with Armstrong but more to do with the sports culture just like all the other pro sports out there.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2016 12:41 am 
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i watched that interview too! i will never understand why he was the only one who suffered so greatly from all the doping. i get that they wanted to make an example & crack down.. but IMO they effect would of been stronger if they went after EVERYONE who doped. not just one man because he was an asshole to people around him & won too much. that just my opinion. it seems too weird that they didn't go after EVERYONE.

also, i didn't know about this until that lance interview but he mentioned how Froome & others are beating his times past TDF times. like come on.... are we really going to pretend they can NATURALLY beat / surpass his Lances doped results? haha. i'd like to hear what other people think about that


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2016 5:02 am 
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On the last point above, the improved times are coming from lighter weight. Lance was no lightweight, even valverde is supposedly 3 kg lighter than pre-Puerto ( http://velonews.competitor.com/2015/12/ ... ear_391373 ).

Now how they're all getting lighter yet keeping the power constant, bit of a grey area...


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2016 12:18 pm 
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ultyguy wrote:
On the last point above, the improved times are coming from lighter weight. Lance was no lightweight, even valverde is supposedly 3 kg lighter than pre-Puerto ( http://velonews.competitor.com/2015/12/ ... ear_391373 ).

Now how they're all getting lighter yet keeping the power constant, bit of a grey area...


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Its not really a grey area its called taking Cortisone its a major player in weight loss and keeping your power.
Your spot on about riders weight but they are not losing power . Try and get a body like froome and be as strong as Armstrong who was still very lean. Impossible without naughty stuff. Riders like Frome are virtually starving themselves. I remember Wiggo talking about how he was always hungry and how tough it is to diet. Well what they are not dieting as such but starving themselves remember chicken. Just bonkers. Its not new.

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check this little bit of history out . I really doubt he was clean
http://forum.slowtwitch.com/cgi-bin/gfo ... rch_engine


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2016 12:53 pm 
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Firstly guys, not everyone was doping. You are doing a massive disservice to the guys who rode clean and missed out on a good career because of guys like Armstrong. His ban is fair and proportionate, as is Bruyneels. There are just a load of other guys from that era that also need lifetime bans rather than be running pro teams today.


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PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2016 1:28 pm 
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Rodrego Hernandez wrote:
Firstly guys, not everyone was doping. You are doing a massive disservice to the guys who rode clean and missed out on a good career because of guys like Armstrong. His ban is fair and proportionate, as is Bruyneels. There are just a load of other guys from that era that also need lifetime bans rather than be running pro teams today.



That's a good point. The hypocrisy of the whole situation. But Armstrong and others have stated that just about everyone was doping.
When he came to Europe it was dope or go home. I read LeMond's book and he states how he was getting his ar££ kicked by riders who would normally not be able to touch him. The peloton was so fast you had to dope.
We have athletes micro dosing on EPO and they will never get caught the bio passport has no effect.
Personally I see it this way Cycling is a Pro sport and has Armstrong mentions in the Rogan interview , no one blinks a eye when footballer come back onto the pitch after taking cortisone steroids at the interval. You cannot stop the doping and Cookson IMO so far is no better than the previous incarnation of UCI heads of state. How can you in all seriousness not call Froome out for his TUE use.
We had the near exact same situation with Armstrong " cortisone use for saddle sore" back dated prescription :roll:
Its all happening again and to be honest I really don't think people are bothered that much now anyway " they all take it don't they"

Did you see the link ? do you think saul raisin was clean?
He did start quite a bit further up the road than where Armstrong and Froome start from.


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Froome raised an interesting point about beating times up some of the climbs - if you watch Armstrong et al they attack each other near enough constantly. Froome rides at FTP, concentrating on his power. You're gonna be fastest riding at threshold up a climb rather than attacking, recovering, attacking and recovering constantly.

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PostPosted: Sat Jan 02, 2016 10:36 pm 
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MikeMoore wrote:
Froome raised an interesting point about beating times up some of the climbs - if you watch Armstrong et al they attack each other near enough constantly. Froome rides at FTP, concentrating on his power. You're gonna be fastest riding at threshold up a climb rather than attacking, recovering, attacking and recovering constantly.


When they climb the Madone they are not racing . Armstrong used the Madone to test himself.
Its a good point but not relevant in this case. If you think about how Armstrong won a lot of his climbs its the same way sky do. Pace your main man near the top then take off. We also saw Armstrong attack from quite a way out.
I think your argument would more fit the battles of Schleck v Contador and Chicken v Contador.


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PostPosted: Sun Jan 03, 2016 8:46 am 
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Cortisone is exactly a grey area. MPCC teams abide, Sky, quickstep, BMC, Trek don't.

A lot of the chatter now is about how people/teams have gone back to like 1970's stuff. Check out the Katusha dr interview on cn responding to the Paolini news.

Edit- also a really good read is the recent Gilbert interview on Pez. Tons of stuff he says between the lines there, esp the point about Rebellin.
http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/interview ... ojTCEbXenM

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ultyguy wrote:
Cortisone is exactly a grey area. MPCC teams abide, Sky, quickstep, BMC don't.

A lot of the chatter now is about how people/teams have gone back to like 1970's stuff. Check out the Katusha dr interview on cn responding to the Paolini news.

Edit- also a really good read is the recent Gilbert interview on Pez. Tons of stuff he says between the lines there, esp the point about Rebellin.
http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/interview ... ojTCEbXenM

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"He had no choice, like a lot of others" The interviewer should have dived in at that point.


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