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PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 3:00 pm 
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Valbrona wrote:
We are now at the stage in pro cycling where pros are mostly using electronic gear shifting and the switch to triples for certain races is a whole load of work. This is a shame because us spectators want to see them race up +25% gradients.


i hope the interwebz realize that it's not JUST the gradient that makes people walk....

even the flanders u see people walking. why? they apparently aren't smart.... no. Because the steepness is compounded by the fact when one person in front slows or blowsup, u are forced* to get off suddenly. Then now you have to get back on the bike.... on a 20% climb (forget the 27%), it's hard without someone pushing you to restart.... support cars with mechanics arent exactly behind every rider on those roads.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 3:30 pm 
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My bad....didnt read the post correctly.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 6:17 pm 
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Difference is this is a stage race, and Flanders is a one-day, so if you get caught behind the carnage the first time up the hill your entire week is wasted, as it was for Phinney.

If the climb was restricted to near the end of the stage it would have been better.

I did a semi-race this weekend which opened with Marin Ave in Berkeley: not as nasty as this, but still 24% in sections. I definitely wanted to be near the front, and I was, as further behind guys were seriously traversing and walking and generally being in the way. Once to the top I relaxed a bit, as I didn't have the fitness to hammer the 195 km.

added: BTW, anyone know for sure what low gears any of the top riders were using?

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 8:28 pm 
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Slick roads can make it hard to get up steep grades while standing on the pedals. Might've been more manageable grinding it out with too-tall gears if the wheels gripped.

Also, while Shimano and Sram drivetrains can be rigged to accept mountain bike cassettes (avoiding the triple), I'm not aware of a Campy cassette with a cog larger than 29t (at least for 11spd), and I assume teams would have to stick with the sponsor equipment.


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PostPosted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:42 pm 
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Why would they bother for 1 stage of a minor race?


Thanks for the chuckle! :mrgreen:

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 4:40 am 
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Triple cranksets are for pussies, I'd rather walk too!

Third message on this thread sums it up and guys still keep arguing about this!? If you can't hack it, just *bleeping* pack it up and take up drinking or something, but under no circumstances is a triple an acceptable option.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 13, 2013 2:25 pm 
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OJ wrote:
under no circumstances is a triple an acceptable option.

By that logic shouldn't they all be on fixies? :P


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Is op trolling maybe?


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Slick roads can make it hard to get up steep grades while standing on the pedals. Might've been more manageable grinding it out with too-tall gears if the wheels gripped.

Also, while Shimano and Sram drivetrains can be rigged to accept mountain bike cassettes (avoiding the triple), I'm not aware of a Campy cassette with a cog larger than 29t (at least for 11spd), and I assume teams would have to stick with the sponsor equipment.



Any of those guys would get up that on 34x29.

What happened was the slowing in front to a standstill making re-start impossible.

I don't think anyone needed a triple on this, and to be honest a fit amateur would not need a triple either.

I'd be looking at 34x29 max, and might try to get away with 34x25 ... LOL


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kulivontot wrote:
Is op trolling maybe?


sadly I think the OP is completely serious judging by his previous comments and threads generated.


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I'd be looking at 34x29 max, and might try to get away with 34x25 ... LOL


I rode Filbert in a 34/26. It was daunting, but not as bad as I'd feared once I got going. First half was 31%, second half 32%, according to my modeling of power data.

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you need no triple front, a mtb cassette and 34t front is more than enough AND triple cranksets tend to have a much wider q-factor, and that would be really really wrong. it happened in the past, when pros change the q-factor they hate it, cause they are used to a biomechanical setup, and if you change that setup, specially if you change it to worse, it's really really bad. triple is not for pro's.

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dang low 40 cadence and 400+ watts. ouchie


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djconnel wrote:
sawyer wrote:
I'd be looking at 34x29 max, and might try to get away with 34x25 ... LOL


I rode Filbert in a 34/26. It was daunting, but not as bad as I'd feared once I got going. First half was 31%, second half 32%, according to my modeling of power data.

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Pros are obviously a lot stronger.



Suspect I'm a lot heavier at 75kg than you DJ, but based on my power data from somewhat similar climbs I'd be chucking out about 700W going up a climb like that (not quite as steep I grant you)

Don't like stuff that steep, but not about to surrender to a triple!


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I seem to recall Roberto Heras using a triple to fly up some steep stuff a few years back.
In terms of climbing, I would not be calling him a pussy myself. (There are other terms to apply to many riders of that generation, admittedly.)
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